Except it was clear in cannon that simply being able to use the force did not automatically make you a Jedi or Sith. One could be well versed in the force but not be on either side.
Agreed, there were many with the ability to use the force but were not jedi. The Sith often hunted down force users to train, Palpatine trained Mara Jade for example, and there was the Guardians of the Whills, and just those that never trained and hid their abilities (or not powerful enough to bother with).
Lets not forget that Yoda went into hiding on Dagobah almost 20 years prior and it wasn’t likely he was getting updates on the state of the galaxy.
He knew Anakin/Vader and believed he had trully hunted down and killed any surviving Jedi from order 66.
When and were Grogu officially explained as a Love Child of Yoda or Yaddel? That never happend. Up to today, the origin of Grogu is still unknown to us.
Yoda said that when he was gone, Luke would be the last jedi. This was true for a while. Yoda also told Luke to pass on what he had learned. Once he passed on his knowledge to other students he wasn’t the last jedi anymore.
Episode 7 ton8 is offically not cannon anymore so. It has been confirmed they are retconning it threw other shows. And the fact george lucas is actually have direct impact on the future sseies now
Competent users of the Force can obviously mask their presence through Distance.. Order 66 Effectively Wiped out the Jedi Order.. Space is vast.. and going to ground and hiding and somehow persevering is a staple of All Great Stories. Mining a Well Loved i.p. Done right.. I have No problem with.. Problematic Cannon and Story lines Can be fixed if done well.. Star Trek Discovery is a Great Example of that! I hated that Discovery was so advanced etc.. and the way they Handled “wiping and Moving” it to its own timeline.. Genius. Point is.. Filoni and Favreau are Really good at what they do. I will give it a Chance.
She canon in my book and half the fandom. Ahsoka didn’t kill the franchise it was Disney throwing away 30 years of the universe. It would have been much better if they just took all the stories and characters and just rewrite them to add Ahoska, and others to it.
That’s why this Grey Jedi stuff is ridiculous. People are so hung up on it as something they want to turn into canon. Essentially, one might have access to the force without belonging to a “club,” so to speak. Now perhaps those clubs are capable of helping one along in their ability to wield it, but it’s not like you’re one or the other.
Also, it’s interesting how I remember thinking Order 66 was the most devastating event that wiped out every Jedi except Yoda and Obi (and ultimately Luke), but it’s funny how every additional media they put out slowly undermines that, which, to me, makes it less of a powerful event.
it’s been stated many times that there were 10,000+ Jedi knights. As it currently stands, there are less than 100 survivors of the Jedi Order. Less than 1%, and that doesn’t include all of the force sensitive people in this universe, only the Jedi.
it’s a big galaxy, it’s even more unlikely that ALL force sensitive people were killed except for Yoda and Kenobi.
Absolutely. Just because your a force user does not mean you are in one side or the other. Luke could have been the last Jedi, while everyone else after to include Rey are just force users fighting for good. I am totally ok with adapting and changing. If Yoda’s words where true, then we should have stopped star wars along time ago. What fun would that be? Chill out! Smoke some weed and enjoy.
So far, there’s not a single confirmed Jedi to survive up to Return of the Jedi.
Jedi was a specific religious order, not a generic force user. (And it was not about the light or the dark, either.) Ahsoka left the order a year before Revenge of the Sith. Luminara Undule and Kanan Jarus (Caleb Dume) died before episode IV. Grogu is not a Jedi. The one unaccounted for Jedi is Cal Cestus, though he was only a Padawan and isn’t guaranteed to have survived through to Ep6.
Except that Master luminara was actually dead with her head in a box used to lure remaining jedi from hiding. Ahsoka, Ezra, and Cal all have legit explanations as to why they were thought dead or missing from the battle of Endor already. Even Sabine has an explanation as to why she didn’t participate. But ya, force users and Jedi/Sith are all different anyway. Nice article though. Don’t think any of the changes made will affect the older movies.
Wow, that’s a lot of words just to yell us that you don’t know what you’re talking about.
1. Ahsoka isn’t and never was a Jedi
2. Neither is Grogu
3. Ezra and Cal are makeshift at best and could very well be dead by the time Yoda says what he says in RotJ
4. Most other Jedi closed their connection to the force do they could continue survival. Cal and Luminara, and Cere Junda as a few examples. Yoda wouldn’t know about them at that point.
5. You need to use your head, and know the story before you write articles like this.
Correct. She was training to be a Jedi, but turned away from the order due to the accusations against her. When Din Djarin approaches her about training Grogu, she pretty much tells him she’s not a Jedi, but knows of just one left… hence that INTENSE season 2 finale of Madolorian.
I agree with this comment totally, ashoka was only a padawan and after getting kicked out, then proven innocent she never came back to the order. Cal was a padawan but never a jedi and Ezra was never trained at the temple so how would Yoda even know about him since he told the remaining jedi to lay low.
Yoda knew of Ezra from his time at the Jedi Temple on Lothal. He sent Ezra Kanen and Ashoka to get the Sith Holocron which came to blows with Inquisitors Maul and of course Vader.
Yes, but Yoda was dead and a force ghost by that point. He stopped communicating with Luke and Luke didn’t see him until the victory celebration at the end of 6
That was not jumping the shark, it literally saved Star Wars for a vast majority of fans after Kennedy’s Toxic Feminist Push to destroy the SWU. Which had a ton of female representation already because she hated Luke being the most powerful Jedi to ever exist according to Lucas himself.
Because Disney only put him in to jump up the ratings Luke nor any original character should ever be in any type of expanded universe period. It’s why solo did so poorly.
Even Obi Wan Kenobi is expanded universe and itself is not cannon.
I still can’t believe they recruited Rosario Dawson for the character. Thats like absolute miscast all around. She adds ugliness to the character and my God the acting is off. The more I see her character the more I see how terrible she is. But it’s ok pretty much everything Disney star wars is nothing but a huge pack of bull anyway.
Ashoka turned away from the order long before Din Jarrin was in the picture. The Mandalorian takes place after Episode VI. I believe Ashoka left the order before Episode IV.
Actually, Ahsoka left roughly 6 months before the events of Episode 3. I myself have researched the timeline and events thoroughly for years unlike many here.
False episode was the start of the clone wars and ahsoka gets introduced in a battle during the clone wars so its more like she was introduced after episode 2 and left the order before episode 3
You’re right on all counts except for one thing. Snips WAS a Jedi. She was a Padawan that was beyond ready for the trials. She never became a full-fledged knight because she chose to leave the order.
Agreed, snips was and is plenty good enough to be jedi. Yoda was powerful enough to sense these other force sensitive beings. I agree with one of the comments below, Yoda was simply saying whatever he needed to in order to light a fire under Luke’s behind.
I meant to say a king had united all of the different tribes of the Sith and that the different types of Force users were essentially glorified gang members with occult powers, rather than the good, evil, neutral, and mercenary knight/cops that they falsely portray themselves to be in the Star Wars universe. Honestly, Autocorrect, what is wrong with you? Why can you literally, as well as ironically, not do the job that you were literally created to do in the first place?
Asoka was a Akins padiwon. She was expelled from the Jedi order for crimes she was accused of and didn’t do. When they found this out she was asked to come back and chose not to. She wasn’t a full fledged jedi but was training to become one.. erza was being trained in the jedi arts but not sure if he ever fully learned the arts since he left or disappeared.
Except Grogu was a jedi youngling and Ahsoka was a jedi padawan. Not making the rank of knight does not mean they were not jedi. Ans pretty much all jedi trained after the purge are “makeshift”. Maybe use your head and know the story before you reply with a condescending tone.
At the end there was no Jedi Master capable enough to keep the Jedi order or to transfer the knowledge. Yoda was referrin to that, and also there was no jedi that could defeat Darth Vader, only Luke or Leia. If you are going to overthink to trash the saga, yoi should overthink to defend it too (not the sequels, they suck)
1. She absolutely was a Jedi. They don’t make Padawans commanders of Battalions.
2. Ezra and Cal are both Jedi. You don’t need a master to bestow the title. If that were true, how did Luke become a Master?
3. Yoda said last of the Jedi. Not the very last very last one.
At the time Yoda told Luke that he was the last of the Jedi, Ahsoka was in all likelihood still stranded on Malachor and unable to help take on Vader and the Emperor. (Plus, she had officially left the Jedi order, so she was technically no longer a Jedi.) Grogu would have been 45 and still a toddler. Also, he was most likely being protected by several hired guns, just as he was when “The Mandalorian” started. So, he was unable to help, also. And, while Kal Cestus did survive Order 66, there’s no guarantee he was alive during the events of “Return of the Jedi”. Based on all these facts, Luke was the last of the Jedi at the exact time Yoda made that statement.
Even cal kestus wasn’t a jedi he was a padawan anyways. He was never knighted yoda and obi wan pretty much thought all were wiped out and the ones that did survive got the message and abandoned the order
Actually cal was knighted by cere at the end of fallen order before they went to that base were the holocron was taken. Now if that Actually makes him a knight, I gust is up for debate.
Return of the Jedi can also be something more personal to Vader in his final moments than anything else in my opinion. I haven’t watched any series yet only movies because of fear that they will change to much but I’m starting to consider watching to be honest because of some things I read I think the series wil be beter sequels than the actual squals we got in movie form
Me, enough of your autistic spectrum induced elitism about Star Wars. You are just as toxic as the OG Trilogy only types, Kathleen Kennedy, or anyone else that has a stupid agenda to peddle, rather than good story telling to share, in the Star Wars universe and the lot of you ruin it for everyone else with your ceaseless bickering over whether it is all canon or not. The World Between Worlds is the final say so on the matter, not any of you lot.
Says the person using toxic and discriminatory language against another participant in these comments. That’s really upping your credibility (sarcasm).
Most of the shows are cannon. It includes clone wars, bad batch, rebels, andor, kenobi,resistance, mandalorean, book of boba fett, and Amy of the shows that are coming out in the near future.
Ahsoka definitely is Canon. Her appearance in the Mandalorian series process her status, if not the star Wars clone Wars animated movie, cartoon series, rebels series, comics and newest book cement her status as Canon
Present canon includes the original trilogy, the prequel and sequel trilogy, the clone wars series, and every property released post-disney acquisition, whether that be in film, tv, comic, or video game. This includes shows like the mandalorian, bad batch, marvel star wars like Darth Vader (2020), and the EA Jedi:* games.
Everything prior to Disney acquisition save for episodes 1-6 is considered non canon. (Excluding clone wars) That’s probably where you’re getting that canon is only 1-6.
No. Only episodes 1-6 are official cannon everything else including books comics and cartoons are expanded universe and it doesn’t matter who owns the property Disney can’t change cannon cause they cannot undo the original creators art.
Do you even star wars bro? Cal was a padawan, ahsoka left the order, whatever her name is in fallen order left the order too. They were not jedi. Not even Quinlan Vos was he to left the order. Luke was the last jedi once yoda died and defeated vader he became a jedi as yoda said he would. Pretty much knighted by yoda himself. Ezra and kanan as well as grogu again were not jedi.
Regardless if there were 100 Jedi Masters still alive at the time, Yoda knew the Skywalker kids were the only ones that could confront Vader and have a chance at defeating the emperor.
Okay a couple different things number one master luminara was shown to have died in rebels. When it comes to cal sorry to disappoint you all but unless you are in the main canon meaning and the TV shows or the movies those characters may written out of Star wars in a second so him as a character really does not matter. If it’s one thing you can all agree on comic books and video games can always be retcon. And ahsoka never really viewed herself a Jedi after she left the Jedi order in the clone wars even though technically she still does the duties of a Jedi. The fact of the matter is dealing with the empire and with Darth Vader was Luke’s responsibility he had to pay for the sins of the father as it were he was the only one that was able to turn Anakin from the dark side. Yoda’s final words were meant for Luke even though there were some survivors from order 66 he was indeed the last Jedi Luke was meant to start the new Jedi order which is why the sequels do not make sense and how they treated Luke’s character.
One thing is that the video games are placed at the same status as TV shows. They will not be retconned, or at least have the same importance were they to be retconned. We don’t know if Cal is even alive at this point.
When a basement dwelling sovcit tries to write an article. I could write an entire article picking this crap apart lol. This is coming from an actual star wars fan that was there in the 80’s and saw the og trilogy in theaters. Granted part 4 was later but technically I saw it. I was just too young to remember.
Lol seeing star wars in the 80s or seeing star wars today doesn’t make any difference on fandom. Funny seeing people like you getting in a goat over that stuff
Ahsoka was, by her own words “no Jedi”.
Ahsoka left the order because of the constraints of dogma and the hypocrisy therein. Yoda might have been aware of the other escaped Jedi like Dume, Kestis, and Bridger, but by the time of endor, Dume was dead, Bridger was in the uncharted regions, and Kestis was still on their way to becoming an actual Jedi knight. And aside from Ahsoka not being an actual Jedi, she was also off in uncharted space trying to find ezra.
So definitely from a certain point of view…Luke was the only full fledged Jedi capable of destroying the sith at that point in time.
I think it’s safe to say although Ashoka is not a Jedi by title,she most certainly carries herself like one despite her claim & for me,it’s good enough given the state of the Galaxy where the Jedi are near extinction.
Not all football fans play football. And not all football players are pros.
If every NFL player except 1 suddenly died… there would be one NFL football player left…
But still 100s of thousands of players and fans. Coaches and critics…
So finding out there is another NFL player alive who quit playing when most died doesn’t mean they ruin the fact one NFL player still plays…
Ummm… Okay, where to start – oh, you might want to brush up on your SWU Lore. First off Yoda went to Dagobah which has a Dark Side Nexus that helps suppress his force presence and cover his existence, only those who knew him Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon could visit him in Force Ghost Form, notice he had to meet Luke to speak to him through the Force? It took Ezra entering a Jedi Temple to talk to Yoda. Grogu and Cal were Padawans and may have had little contact to a Grand Master. And if the Nexus on Dagobah suppressed his ability then he could be limited in what comes to his attention through the Force.
Secondly, at the time he told Luke that, well Luke officially is the Last member of the old Jedi Order. Ashoka, Ezra and Cal are by all rights Grey Jedi when Luke is Knighted into the old guard.
And lastly, the two of the most powerful Sith in history could not track the Jedi and created the Inquisitors to hunt them. If they struggled openly, then a Jedi Master hidden on a suppressive rock might struggle to do more then them, don’t you think?
Wow! All these comments make me realize I have only scratched the surface of the Star Wars Universe and have much to learn. I have a lot more to watch/read.
Get it through your heads. Force user is not the same as Jedi. Padawans are not Jedi either. Luke was the last person Yoda trained with Jedi teachings but wouldn’t actually become one until he confronted Vader. Everyone else either died, cut off the force and abandoned the Jedi way, was a padawan, left the order, was a free range force wielder, or became Inquisitors.
Meh anyone can make any kind of comment most are opinions cause there is no fact when it comes to expanded universe that’s outside the official cannon which are only episodes 1-6.
I’m sorry, but it is the Disney corporation which now decides what is canon, since they own all the rights to it after the $4 billion purchase from George Lucas. And they declared 1-6 canon prior to their purchase, with all of the other products and stories declared “Expanded Universe”. Everything produced after their takeover is considered canon, including (unfortunately) 7-9, The Clone Wars, Rebels, The Mandalorian, etc.
As many have said simply wielding the force doesn’t make you a Jedi or a Sith. For Ashoka, she left/was forced to leave the order as seen in Clone Wars so she’s not a Jedi.
I find it presumptuous for someone who has simply watched movies or read books to determine what’s canon. The author (and many commenters to this article) are not the people who determine what is and isn’t canon. It makes those of us who appreciate the franchise as a whole, blemishes and all, disappointed in the state of the fandom. If you’re a fan, good. Shut up. If you’re not, good. Shut up. I am tired of the worst part of the community acting like they’re the representatives of it.
Ahsoka being alive makes all of this an alternate timeline. She wasn’t in the OT bc she was dead in that timeline. Ezra saved her when he went to the world between worlds and thus splintered the timeline.
Luke was the last jedi. All the people you listed either never technically became a jedi (Cal/Grogu), died by that time (Luminara) or left the jedi (Ahsoka)
The fact of the matter is that Disney only nullified the expanded universe because that didn’t want to have to pay the rights to the authors who wrote them and they have found a loophole when it comes to using key information throughout the expanded universe but changing just a little like 7-9 kylo ren is the son of han and leia(which is really jacen from legacy of the force series), the entire book of boba Fett( as the books of him are the only way they would have known the sarlacc pit), the main bad guy that is named in the Mandalorians series Grand Admiral Thrawn( only introduce in the books as his race doesn’t exist anywhere in 1-6.) The whole coliseum of palpatine clones at the end of 9( again already explained in the books when luke has to destroy them all and the facility making them) The Solo movie was mostly from the books ( Han Solo books)(not to mention the crimson sun only exist in the books). I could go on and on but don’t have all the time in the world to explain what Disney is doing to destroy star wars for the fans that have made it the house hold name is has become.
Yoda could not always see the future as clearly as we want to believe he could. He could not forsee Rey or Cal thanks to Emperor Palpatine clouding the force with the sheer amount of evil in him. But, admittedly, their presence does make his statement incorrect.
Calling Ahsoka a jedi, however, or questioning whether the battle of Endor mattered, demonstrates a lack of understanding of a few key points.
First, Ahsoka disavowed the Jedi after being falsely accused of crimes she did not commit. She now walks the path of the living force, and follows her own moral code.
Second, Luke desired to train more jedi after Endor BECAUSE of what Yoda said, leading to the eventual rise of Rey as jedi.
Third, we still don’t know that Cal survived past the downfall of the Empire. It is entirely possible that Vader got to him before Yoda made his remark. After all, Cere did not survive.
Return of the Jedi can also be something more personal to Vader in his final moments than anything else in my opinion. I haven’t watched any series yet only movies because of fear that they will change to much but I’m starting to consider watching to be honest because of some things I read I think the series wil be beter sequels than the actual squals we got in movie form
Force user does not equal jedi. Also, Yoda said what is thought was true – he had been in exile for years, cut off from the force. How would he have known about the other, few survivors?
All those members of the Jedi Order with all the power of the force backing them and not one besides her master thought she was innocent of the bombing of the temple? She didn’t quit her Jedi training. They turned their backs on her. I wouldn’t return after my name was cleared either.
The way I also interpret The Return of The Jedi is Anikin that “returned” long enough to save Luke. He didn’t die as Darth Vader but as Anikin. That’s what I believed ever since I watched it for the first time at 11 years old. And no matter what they do 32 year old me still see it that way.
*Disney* Star Wars fans will be “instantly drawn” to this. Most Star Wars fans won’t be. There is a big difference. Equally, Disney Star Wars isn’t canon.
Personally I prefer Legends to Canon, but they both have their good and bad sides. I think the main problem people have with “Canon” is the way Disney treats the Star Wars franchise and fans rather than the the content itself. The fact we are even discussing whether this killed it shows it hasn’t because franchises only die when people stop caring.
The jedi have their own issues. Perhaps Ahsoka will create a different order than that of the Jedi thereby making Yoda’s words correct. Remember, the Jedi had issues with it’s rigid dogma, and I would posit that there is room for an order that does not ask its adherents to emotionally detach themselves as was the issue with Anakin and many others who turned to the dark. Clearly the Jedi are not perfect and while on the right track, they need a more realistic way of creating balance.
Forget all of that, we’re not gonna skip the fact that this article is mad inaccurate. Luminara didn’t survive Order 66….. Tell me you didn’t watch rebels without telling me you didn’t watch rebels.
Haters gonna hate. Was Yoda a clairvoyant? He knew of the Jedi purge; but how much did he truly know of survivors?
Canon already had him reaching out to Ezra in the Rebels series, and that occurs BEFORE the events of the OT.
The Ahsoka series is just the latest venue that I just feel like is going to get criticized like this because some people take up issue with any potential female Jedi, much less those that aren’t a Skywalker.
Did the notion of Mara Jade in the EU get this much flack when her character was first introduced decades ago?
In star wars rebels era finds the temple which explains all of the force users. The Sister which is Jedi, The Brother which is Sith, and the Father which is neutral or Grey.
Easy solution. Ahsoka isn’t a true Jedi. Have a show where the remaining Jedi plot to take out Palps, Vader, and remaining Inquistors, but just another Palpatine trap to get them all together. Ashoka senses something off about it and doesn’t conspire and leaves. Vader and Palps only ones standing. Rest of the Jedi dead. Yes, you will have to kill them off to make it right,but it would make for a great epic showdown.
Ahsoka IS NOT A JEDI. She’s as much of a jedi as Merrin from the video games. Being a force user does not make you a Jedi. Midichlorians didn’t cease to exist when the Jedi Order fell.
Leave it to Disney to totally screw up two of the most beloved science fiction stories ever told, Star Trek and Star Wars by not doing their homework and following each franchise’s story lines history to the letter,making it a difficult task to repair the damage after it was done. Just my opinion.
Disney can’t screw up what you don’t allow. Disney can make a movie right now and have Vader be a woman and call that cannon. It’s up to you whether or not you accept it. Cannon falls with you what you will or will not allow .
Hence everyone rejects the sequel trilogy. Technically speaking this is art of someone else having a new owner change the art does not taint the image cause there will always be that original art there.
Ahsoka Tano is not a Jedi. She quit the Jedi Order, and never came back. Being a Force-user is not the same thing as being a Jedi.
Likewise, Grogu is not a Jedi. Luke told him to choose whether to be a Jedi or a Mandalorian, and he chose the latter.
Luminara Unduli survived Order 66 but was killed a few years later, so she was still long dead at the time Yoda said Luke was the last of the Jedi.
Cal Kestis’s story to date spans to 9 years prior to ANH and 13 years prior to ROTJ. We don’t yet know how his story ends, so whether he’ll still be alive 13 years later is an open question.
As is whether he’ll still be a Jedi, for that matter. After all, Merrin is the only one who stopped him from going full-on Sith toward the end of Jedi Survivor, and she’s a Nightsister who believes that the Dark Side can be used as a tool without being consumed by it. A belief completely incompatible with the Jedi Code. So it’s entirely possible that by the end of the next game, Cal could be something Yoda doesn’t recognize as a Jedi.
Umm Ashoka chose to leave the order…so ummm… yeah she is not a Jedi, but she is a force user who was trained by the jedi more like a Ronin than anything else really, but chose to leave the order, also we still don’t know the fate Cal or the Jedi survivors in that story line so…shrug… and technically Esra isn’t jedi either since he wasn’t formally trained by the jedi order in of it self but rather a jedi padawan post order 66.
What killed the Star Wars franchise was the sequel series I.e the rise of the First order, Palpatine returning, how quickly star killer base was built the death Star on steroids. Jango Fett being a separatist & Obi-Wan and the Jedi not realising this despite his DNA being used to clone the republic army.
Except that– and this is made very clear and is incredibly titular to her as a character– Ahsoka is famously NOT a Jedi, which makes what Yoda said not incorrect. Luke wasn’t a Jedi when he defeated the Empire either– he was supposed to return to Dagobah to complete his training but chose to save his family instead. Grogu is not a Jedi– he chose to forsake his training to stay with Din Djarin, and before that he wasn’t a Jedi either.
How does ahsoka ruin everything like seriously people. She’s in clone wars and rebels. She almost appeared in a live action movie at the end of the clone wars.
Did y’all forget that Ashoka left the council before she could even become a Jedi? That fact alone is all you need to know!!! Sooo Ashoka can’t ruin the storyline . IF IM WRONG PLEASE REPLY TO THIS AND CORRECT MY STATEMENT.
I think the better question is if all these formidable jedi were lurking in the wood work, why did they let Luke Skywalker, a novice albeit very talented jedi knight face Darth Vader and the Emperor alone?
It is actually consistent. Luke was told his father was dead, because Darth Vader killed him. It is a Jedi truth. Ashoka never finished her training, because she had a falling out with the council, hence she was not a Jedi. It appears the jedi have a strange relationship with truth, it may not mean what you think it means
That’s why I discredit everything after episode 3 was made. Star wars was officially over once Lucas sold. Even Lucas is upset that Disney is creating these attrocities. But he wanted a few billion dollars to rest easy for the remainder of his days. There’s only so many times he can rerelease new editions of his movies tweaking this and that to pull in more bucks.
You all need to out of your parents basement and realize star wars is just a store. Which can change with every show. Stop hating what you don’t now or think you know about the books of star wars and what needs to be canon. The hell with canon, just enjoy the stories. No matter how far fetch they might be, stop killing the new programs because you have a stick up your anus. If all of you have such a problem get a college degree in writing, then you can make star wars what you want. Then all these butt heads can write shit because your stiff Is not what they think is canon. Just sit back and keep your mouth shut.
Tamara you need keep your mouth shut Disney bought Star wars a story that was already written out both in movies and in books if you want to challenge me a knowledge of the books you’re more than welcome to You’re going to lose that fight. Just because I love Star wars and the story that was created by multiple artists who all got approval from George Lucas to continue the story the way it was going doesn’t mean anything about me living in a basement I live in my own house in a successful job I just happen to truly love the story of Star wars. Disney had no rights to go in and destroy what was already created they wanted to make money they didn’t want to have to pay the writers who spent time and months writing the stories because they had already paid for the franchise itself they then used information from the books which were written by writers to create their story without paying them proper rights. You have absolutely no clue what you’re speaking about It isn’t about a story it’s about all the work that everybody who has ever been involved with the Star wars universe has done that Disney has entirely screwed over All they had to have done would have been to pay the rights to the people who wrote the books and make the movies based on that they could have added their own twist and characters they created the mandalorian storyline which is one of the best things they did there is no books about that however they use the bad guy as a person that only exists in the books so where’s the money and things that the writer who created that character deserves to get because Disney chose to use that everybody should have equal rights to that money in Disney is finding ways to screw it out of those people and in the process they have angered those of us who truly love the story of Star wars that was created by Lucas and other writers who spent blood sweat and tears months on end writing those stories for somebody to come in and screw it up because they have money and they want to own the world.
Ahsoka is not a jedi because she rejected the title, its teachings and what it meant, good force user does not mean jedi
Ezra is gone by the time of ep 6
Cal is active in 9bby, so he has a lot of time to die before ep 6
Grogu is a youngling yes, but an untrained one who was being kept until he matured and could learn, remember hes about 5 years younger in ep 6 than in the mandalorian
Luke is still the last known jedi at the point where yoda says that
Jedi is not force user, its a set of ideals and philosophies some force users have that need to be learnt to be a jedi
Also due note Yoda told that to Luke back when Lucas was controlling his own franchise essentially Baby Yoda Ashoka and all of them do not exist. They are merely expanded universe and Disney creations.
One must understand if you expand off of established lore and it conflicts with official cannon then expanded lore becomes moot.
Anything after the Original Trilogy sucks and are all just “fanfiction” (Lucas’s trilogy prequels included & Lucas’s turd remastered original trilogy too). That’s why the OG Trilogy will never age. That answers that. It’s that simple really.
More thoughts from someone obviously not up to speed on Star Wars cannon. Yoda knows about Leia cus he was there when she was born. Anakin is the most powerful force user in recent times, so it makes sense that Yoda would focus on his children as the ones to take him down. They are possibly the only ones who could and have the added advantage of having some possible emotional control over Vader. Degobah is also a planet that is naturally force sensitive which is why Yoda is never discovered, he just blends. It would also make sense that cus of this same reason he wouldn’t be able to sense as many, if any, force users l, and Galaxy is a big place! Being in a secret hiding place he also probably wasn’t getting regular Galatia updates.
Well pretty easy to explain. Disney owns 90 percent of MCU property and that franchise has more holes than a collander, more character flaws than a cubic zirconia and more issues ….. well than the comic books it’ based on. Now Dizzy owns the Star Wars galaxy so you have to expect a few holes well okay a lot of holes not to mention the fact that they could have told thousand different stories but they green lit the last three sequels which were basically just 4 5, and 6 with better cgi and marginally better acting. Why do they always cast the male lead as an emotionally stunted brat and the female character so kick ass. Hmmmmm…..Just saying
You wrote this thinking…. Yep this will get attention. If you know the back story of Ahsoka.. you would know she walked away from the Jedi order. Plus she is more of a grey jedi. What Yoda said was fine.
A certain point of view has carried this franchise through a lot of adjustments and I think what Yoda says in Jedi can be heard another way when looking at the prequels and how the Skywalkers are linked to the prophecy of bringing balance to the force.
I was under the assumption that Master Luminara Unduli was killed by the empire??
In SW Rebels (season 1) Kanan and Ezra try to rescue her but she was already dead and her corpse was being kept in stasis to lure the remaining Jedi.
Acolytes seems to be canceled though. Gladly disney sees that they are loosing money and trimmimg the fat of movies and series that doent do to well caused by bad writing. Last star wars series that was good was Andor even though the last scene was cringly written.
Just as when Jar Jar gets told the ability to speak doesn’t make one intelligent, so does being force sensitive doesn’t make one a Jedi, or a Sith. Being Force sensitive could be used by the Emperor if he felt it necessary so he likely didn’t want to destroy what could become a valuable asset. Order 66 only applied to those who were already Jedi.
Comments for ‘Ahsoka’ Kills Entire ‘Star Wars’ Franchise
Brian
Except it was clear in cannon that simply being able to use the force did not automatically make you a Jedi or Sith. One could be well versed in the force but not be on either side.
Loa
Agreed, there were many with the ability to use the force but were not jedi. The Sith often hunted down force users to train, Palpatine trained Mara Jade for example, and there was the Guardians of the Whills, and just those that never trained and hid their abilities (or not powerful enough to bother with).
Bear
Lets not forget that Yoda went into hiding on Dagobah almost 20 years prior and it wasn’t likely he was getting updates on the state of the galaxy.
He knew Anakin/Vader and believed he had trully hunted down and killed any surviving Jedi from order 66.
Glen
Yoda was powerful though. He’d sense other jedi even in different galaxies.
Brian
Yoda couldn’t sense a sith Lord in the next room.
WolfgangDS
Yoda couldn’t sense a Sith lord in the SAME room!
Brutal
Let’s also not forget that Yoda made a love child and jedi aren’t supposed to have lovers or kids. So grogu broke that long before asohka.
Rediflow
When and were Grogu officially explained as a Love Child of Yoda or Yaddel? That never happend. Up to today, the origin of Grogu is still unknown to us.
Humans Suck
You’re using non Canon to justify your shit takes.
Matthew
Yoda said that when he was gone, Luke would be the last jedi. This was true for a while. Yoda also told Luke to pass on what he had learned. Once he passed on his knowledge to other students he wasn’t the last jedi anymore.
Quinten
But Ahsoka left the Jedi order and all the others weren’t really aligned with the Jedi code, so it makes sense
Mama Juevos
Mara jade isn’t canon anymore, unless they’ve shoehorned her in somewhere between the 750,000 other pieces of Star Wars media somewhere.
Glen
I don’t care what Disney claims. As far as I’m concerned, Legends is Canon, and Disney’s shit is an alternate timeline
DisneyruinedeverythingILoved
👍👍👍👍💯💯💯💯👍👍
Mike
Episode 7 ton8 is offically not cannon anymore so. It has been confirmed they are retconning it threw other shows. And the fact george lucas is actually have direct impact on the future sseies now
ryan
thats not how this works buddy boy. plus yoda went into hiding. he didnt knoe anything about anybody other than leia having a kid with anakin
Me
Leia having a kid with Anakin? You know that’s his daughter right? Gross.
Akedo
Competent users of the Force can obviously mask their presence through Distance.. Order 66 Effectively Wiped out the Jedi Order.. Space is vast.. and going to ground and hiding and somehow persevering is a staple of All Great Stories. Mining a Well Loved i.p. Done right.. I have No problem with.. Problematic Cannon and Story lines Can be fixed if done well.. Star Trek Discovery is a Great Example of that! I hated that Discovery was so advanced etc.. and the way they Handled “wiping and Moving” it to its own timeline.. Genius. Point is.. Filoni and Favreau are Really good at what they do. I will give it a Chance.
KMC
She canon in my book and half the fandom. Ahsoka didn’t kill the franchise it was Disney throwing away 30 years of the universe. It would have been much better if they just took all the stories and characters and just rewrite them to add Ahoska, and others to it.
Chase
That’s why this Grey Jedi stuff is ridiculous. People are so hung up on it as something they want to turn into canon. Essentially, one might have access to the force without belonging to a “club,” so to speak. Now perhaps those clubs are capable of helping one along in their ability to wield it, but it’s not like you’re one or the other.
Also, it’s interesting how I remember thinking Order 66 was the most devastating event that wiped out every Jedi except Yoda and Obi (and ultimately Luke), but it’s funny how every additional media they put out slowly undermines that, which, to me, makes it less of a powerful event.
Just my two cents.
Zeroday
it’s been stated many times that there were 10,000+ Jedi knights. As it currently stands, there are less than 100 survivors of the Jedi Order. Less than 1%, and that doesn’t include all of the force sensitive people in this universe, only the Jedi.
it’s a big galaxy, it’s even more unlikely that ALL force sensitive people were killed except for Yoda and Kenobi.
Dale
Ahsoka famously said ” I’m no Jedi.”
SXC253
Grays???
PFFL
Luminara was confirmed dead by 4BBY in Rebels, what??? Where do you get your sources lmao this is a joke
C
Thank you, I was hoping I wasn’t the only one to notice this glaring error.
James
Absolutely. Just because your a force user does not mean you are in one side or the other. Luke could have been the last Jedi, while everyone else after to include Rey are just force users fighting for good. I am totally ok with adapting and changing. If Yoda’s words where true, then we should have stopped star wars along time ago. What fun would that be? Chill out! Smoke some weed and enjoy.
Jackie
So far, there’s not a single confirmed Jedi to survive up to Return of the Jedi.
Jedi was a specific religious order, not a generic force user. (And it was not about the light or the dark, either.) Ahsoka left the order a year before Revenge of the Sith. Luminara Undule and Kanan Jarus (Caleb Dume) died before episode IV. Grogu is not a Jedi. The one unaccounted for Jedi is Cal Cestus, though he was only a Padawan and isn’t guaranteed to have survived through to Ep6.
mATTHEw
Shut up Brian
Ben
Just like Bendu, the one in the middle!
Nathan
Except that Master luminara was actually dead with her head in a box used to lure remaining jedi from hiding. Ahsoka, Ezra, and Cal all have legit explanations as to why they were thought dead or missing from the battle of Endor already. Even Sabine has an explanation as to why she didn’t participate. But ya, force users and Jedi/Sith are all different anyway. Nice article though. Don’t think any of the changes made will affect the older movies.
Sha
Wow, that’s a lot of words just to yell us that you don’t know what you’re talking about.
1. Ahsoka isn’t and never was a Jedi
2. Neither is Grogu
3. Ezra and Cal are makeshift at best and could very well be dead by the time Yoda says what he says in RotJ
4. Most other Jedi closed their connection to the force do they could continue survival. Cal and Luminara, and Cere Junda as a few examples. Yoda wouldn’t know about them at that point.
5. You need to use your head, and know the story before you write articles like this.
Nate
Ashoka was once part of the Jedi order. She was Anikins Padawan
Anthony
Correct. She was training to be a Jedi, but turned away from the order due to the accusations against her. When Din Djarin approaches her about training Grogu, she pretty much tells him she’s not a Jedi, but knows of just one left… hence that INTENSE season 2 finale of Madolorian.
Me
And to me that was a terrible finale having Luke there was basically jumping the shark.
Bryan
I agree with this comment totally, ashoka was only a padawan and after getting kicked out, then proven innocent she never came back to the order. Cal was a padawan but never a jedi and Ezra was never trained at the temple so how would Yoda even know about him since he told the remaining jedi to lay low.
Jay
Yoda knew of Ezra from his time at the Jedi Temple on Lothal. He sent Ezra Kanen and Ashoka to get the Sith Holocron which came to blows with Inquisitors Maul and of course Vader.
Glen
Yes, but Yoda was dead and a force ghost by that point. He stopped communicating with Luke and Luke didn’t see him until the victory celebration at the end of 6
james
Yoda was very much alive when ezra and canan went for the holocron it happens before a new hope
Bryan
No way that was jumping the sharks!
Cane
That was not jumping the shark, it literally saved Star Wars for a vast majority of fans after Kennedy’s Toxic Feminist Push to destroy the SWU. Which had a ton of female representation already because she hated Luke being the most powerful Jedi to ever exist according to Lucas himself.
Me
I disagree. It jumped the shark also the ratings dipped after that season 2 Luke was unnecessary and most definitely wasn’t cannon.
nedyaH
For better or for worse, the fans do not and cannot dictate what is/ is not canon.
Me
Lol speak for yourself. I will dictate anytime I want what’s is considered cannon to me.
KanosKir kelly1025@gmail.com
Ok Jean Luc-Picard. #StarTrekLover FYI… Luke’s appearance didn’t jump the Rancor.
Digital Jedi
How did Luke jump the shark? He used his Force abilities as consistently as any other Jedi in the franchise.
Me
Because Disney only put him in to jump up the ratings Luke nor any original character should ever be in any type of expanded universe period. It’s why solo did so poorly.
Even Obi Wan Kenobi is expanded universe and itself is not cannon.
Me
I still can’t believe they recruited Rosario Dawson for the character. Thats like absolute miscast all around. She adds ugliness to the character and my God the acting is off. The more I see her character the more I see how terrible she is. But it’s ok pretty much everything Disney star wars is nothing but a huge pack of bull anyway.
Shawn
Ashoka turned away from the order long before Din Jarrin was in the picture. The Mandalorian takes place after Episode VI. I believe Ashoka left the order before Episode IV.
Hovek
Ahsoka left before episode 3, and probably around a year before episode 2
Edward
Actually, Ahsoka left roughly 6 months before the events of Episode 3. I myself have researched the timeline and events thoroughly for years unlike many here.
Teddy
False episode was the start of the clone wars and ahsoka gets introduced in a battle during the clone wars so its more like she was introduced after episode 2 and left the order before episode 3
Nick
Key word there bud was, was his past tense there guy
Jeremy Freehill
No she was never a part of the order as Anakin was training her in secret because he had yet to fully pass the trials
Darth Facepalm
You’re right on all counts except for one thing. Snips WAS a Jedi. She was a Padawan that was beyond ready for the trials. She never became a full-fledged knight because she chose to leave the order.
DarthBryan
Correct, which is why Yoda doesn’t count her as a Jedi. She left the order, so she’s not a Jedi any longer.
Hawn Etritsch
Agreed, snips was and is plenty good enough to be jedi. Yoda was powerful enough to sense these other force sensitive beings. I agree with one of the comments below, Yoda was simply saying whatever he needed to in order to light a fire under Luke’s behind.
jal11180
I meant to say a king had united all of the different tribes of the Sith and that the different types of Force users were essentially glorified gang members with occult powers, rather than the good, evil, neutral, and mercenary knight/cops that they falsely portray themselves to be in the Star Wars universe. Honestly, Autocorrect, what is wrong with you? Why can you literally, as well as ironically, not do the job that you were literally created to do in the first place?
Me
Why don’t you just write a book about it next time. And no I didn’t read any of it wasn’t gonna try.
Michael
Yup
100 percent right, you are
Padawan
How was Ahsoka never a Jedi?
Geo
Asoka was a Akins padiwon. She was expelled from the Jedi order for crimes she was accused of and didn’t do. When they found this out she was asked to come back and chose not to. She wasn’t a full fledged jedi but was training to become one.. erza was being trained in the jedi arts but not sure if he ever fully learned the arts since he left or disappeared.
JT
Except Grogu was a jedi youngling and Ahsoka was a jedi padawan. Not making the rank of knight does not mean they were not jedi. Ans pretty much all jedi trained after the purge are “makeshift”. Maybe use your head and know the story before you reply with a condescending tone.
Seth
Ahsoka was a Padawan so she was in the order and she quit. Cal was a Padawan, Ezra is the outlier here as never officially being a Padawan.
Yuri
Jedi Padawans are still Jedi.
Ahsoka was officially dubbed a knight the same day she left the order.
Leo
At the end there was no Jedi Master capable enough to keep the Jedi order or to transfer the knowledge. Yoda was referrin to that, and also there was no jedi that could defeat Darth Vader, only Luke or Leia. If you are going to overthink to trash the saga, yoi should overthink to defend it too (not the sequels, they suck)
Bradley
How about you use your head?
1. She absolutely was a Jedi. They don’t make Padawans commanders of Battalions.
2. Ezra and Cal are both Jedi. You don’t need a master to bestow the title. If that were true, how did Luke become a Master?
3. Yoda said last of the Jedi. Not the very last very last one.
Aaron
Obi Wan lied to Luke, who’s to say Yoda wouldn’t do the same? The both certainly withheld the truth. Luke needed to think he was the last Jedi.
David
At the time Yoda told Luke that he was the last of the Jedi, Ahsoka was in all likelihood still stranded on Malachor and unable to help take on Vader and the Emperor. (Plus, she had officially left the Jedi order, so she was technically no longer a Jedi.) Grogu would have been 45 and still a toddler. Also, he was most likely being protected by several hired guns, just as he was when “The Mandalorian” started. So, he was unable to help, also. And, while Kal Cestus did survive Order 66, there’s no guarantee he was alive during the events of “Return of the Jedi”. Based on all these facts, Luke was the last of the Jedi at the exact time Yoda made that statement.
Harley
Even cal kestus wasn’t a jedi he was a padawan anyways. He was never knighted yoda and obi wan pretty much thought all were wiped out and the ones that did survive got the message and abandoned the order
Brad
Actually cal was knighted by cere at the end of fallen order before they went to that base were the holocron was taken. Now if that Actually makes him a knight, I gust is up for debate.
Yolandi Van Der Merwe
Return of the Jedi can also be something more personal to Vader in his final moments than anything else in my opinion. I haven’t watched any series yet only movies because of fear that they will change to much but I’m starting to consider watching to be honest because of some things I read I think the series wil be beter sequels than the actual squals we got in movie form
Me
Technically speaking Luke was the last of the Jedi Ahsoka is still part of the expanded universe and isn’t official cannon
GodOfAcid
What? Yes she is. The animated series The Clone Wars is formal canon.
Me
No only episodes 1-6 are official cannon
jal11180
Me, enough of your autistic spectrum induced elitism about Star Wars. You are just as toxic as the OG Trilogy only types, Kathleen Kennedy, or anyone else that has a stupid agenda to peddle, rather than good story telling to share, in the Star Wars universe and the lot of you ruin it for everyone else with your ceaseless bickering over whether it is all canon or not. The World Between Worlds is the final say so on the matter, not any of you lot.
Me
Ah poor Luna baby did hurt yo wee feelings?
KIKIT
Says the person using toxic and discriminatory language against another participant in these comments. That’s really upping your credibility (sarcasm).
Jacob
Most of the shows are cannon. It includes clone wars, bad batch, rebels, andor, kenobi,resistance, mandalorean, book of boba fett, and Amy of the shows that are coming out in the near future.
Me
Negative. Only Episodes 1-6 are cannon.
Daniel
Ahsoka definitely is Canon. Her appearance in the Mandalorian series process her status, if not the star Wars clone Wars animated movie, cartoon series, rebels series, comics and newest book cement her status as Canon
Me
Only episodes 1-6 are cannon no comic books or cartoons are connon
KS
Present canon includes the original trilogy, the prequel and sequel trilogy, the clone wars series, and every property released post-disney acquisition, whether that be in film, tv, comic, or video game. This includes shows like the mandalorian, bad batch, marvel star wars like Darth Vader (2020), and the EA Jedi:* games.
Everything prior to Disney acquisition save for episodes 1-6 is considered non canon. (Excluding clone wars) That’s probably where you’re getting that canon is only 1-6.
Me
No. Only episodes 1-6 are official cannon everything else including books comics and cartoons are expanded universe and it doesn’t matter who owns the property Disney can’t change cannon cause they cannot undo the original creators art.
Christopher
There’s a difference between head canon and official canon.
Me
There is only 1 cannon.
Harley
Do you even star wars bro? Cal was a padawan, ahsoka left the order, whatever her name is in fallen order left the order too. They were not jedi. Not even Quinlan Vos was he to left the order. Luke was the last jedi once yoda died and defeated vader he became a jedi as yoda said he would. Pretty much knighted by yoda himself. Ezra and kanan as well as grogu again were not jedi.
Ben
Kanan was knighted on Lothal in the Jedi temple by the force spirit of the temple who was the Grand Inquisitor prior to his fall to the Dark Side.
Vyntre
Kanan also died.
Kotah
Only thing killing the franchise is people like you who can’t even get the simplest bit of lore right.
Josh
Regardless if there were 100 Jedi Masters still alive at the time, Yoda knew the Skywalker kids were the only ones that could confront Vader and have a chance at defeating the emperor.
Jesse
Okay a couple different things number one master luminara was shown to have died in rebels. When it comes to cal sorry to disappoint you all but unless you are in the main canon meaning and the TV shows or the movies those characters may written out of Star wars in a second so him as a character really does not matter. If it’s one thing you can all agree on comic books and video games can always be retcon. And ahsoka never really viewed herself a Jedi after she left the Jedi order in the clone wars even though technically she still does the duties of a Jedi. The fact of the matter is dealing with the empire and with Darth Vader was Luke’s responsibility he had to pay for the sins of the father as it were he was the only one that was able to turn Anakin from the dark side. Yoda’s final words were meant for Luke even though there were some survivors from order 66 he was indeed the last Jedi Luke was meant to start the new Jedi order which is why the sequels do not make sense and how they treated Luke’s character.
Vyntre
One thing is that the video games are placed at the same status as TV shows. They will not be retconned, or at least have the same importance were they to be retconned. We don’t know if Cal is even alive at this point.
Like starkiller
When a basement dwelling sovcit tries to write an article. I could write an entire article picking this crap apart lol. This is coming from an actual star wars fan that was there in the 80’s and saw the og trilogy in theaters. Granted part 4 was later but technically I saw it. I was just too young to remember.
Me
Lol seeing star wars in the 80s or seeing star wars today doesn’t make any difference on fandom. Funny seeing people like you getting in a goat over that stuff
Brendan
Ahsoka was, by her own words “no Jedi”.
Ahsoka left the order because of the constraints of dogma and the hypocrisy therein. Yoda might have been aware of the other escaped Jedi like Dume, Kestis, and Bridger, but by the time of endor, Dume was dead, Bridger was in the uncharted regions, and Kestis was still on their way to becoming an actual Jedi knight. And aside from Ahsoka not being an actual Jedi, she was also off in uncharted space trying to find ezra.
So definitely from a certain point of view…Luke was the only full fledged Jedi capable of destroying the sith at that point in time.
Vyntre
And capable of destroying the Sith too. Cal couldn’t save Vader from his torment, only Luke.
Von Glover
I think it’s safe to say although Ashoka is not a Jedi by title,she most certainly carries herself like one despite her claim & for me,it’s good enough given the state of the Galaxy where the Jedi are near extinction.
Joe
What kill star wars was the last three movies. And Kennedy
Cane
#Facts
Me
Lucas was done reason he sold star wars has long been over since 2005
Jeffrey
It’s my feeling that regardless of how many Jedi or force users there are. Only a Skywalker would be strong enough to defeat Vader and the Emperor.
Obi-Wan
Well using the force does not make u a Jedi.
Not all football fans play football. And not all football players are pros.
If every NFL player except 1 suddenly died… there would be one NFL football player left…
But still 100s of thousands of players and fans. Coaches and critics…
So finding out there is another NFL player alive who quit playing when most died doesn’t mean they ruin the fact one NFL player still plays…
Cane
Ummm… Okay, where to start – oh, you might want to brush up on your SWU Lore. First off Yoda went to Dagobah which has a Dark Side Nexus that helps suppress his force presence and cover his existence, only those who knew him Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon could visit him in Force Ghost Form, notice he had to meet Luke to speak to him through the Force? It took Ezra entering a Jedi Temple to talk to Yoda. Grogu and Cal were Padawans and may have had little contact to a Grand Master. And if the Nexus on Dagobah suppressed his ability then he could be limited in what comes to his attention through the Force.
Secondly, at the time he told Luke that, well Luke officially is the Last member of the old Jedi Order. Ashoka, Ezra and Cal are by all rights Grey Jedi when Luke is Knighted into the old guard.
And lastly, the two of the most powerful Sith in history could not track the Jedi and created the Inquisitors to hunt them. If they struggled openly, then a Jedi Master hidden on a suppressive rock might struggle to do more then them, don’t you think?
Pam I.
Wow! All these comments make me realize I have only scratched the surface of the Star Wars Universe and have much to learn. I have a lot more to watch/read.
Backcountry164
Star Wars died when it was purchased by Disney.
What we have now is just Disney beating the corpse…
Ck
Get it through your heads. Force user is not the same as Jedi. Padawans are not Jedi either. Luke was the last person Yoda trained with Jedi teachings but wouldn’t actually become one until he confronted Vader. Everyone else either died, cut off the force and abandoned the Jedi way, was a padawan, left the order, was a free range force wielder, or became Inquisitors.
Me
Meh anyone can make any kind of comment most are opinions cause there is no fact when it comes to expanded universe that’s outside the official cannon which are only episodes 1-6.
Kris
I’m sorry, but it is the Disney corporation which now decides what is canon, since they own all the rights to it after the $4 billion purchase from George Lucas. And they declared 1-6 canon prior to their purchase, with all of the other products and stories declared “Expanded Universe”. Everything produced after their takeover is considered canon, including (unfortunately) 7-9, The Clone Wars, Rebels, The Mandalorian, etc.
Me
Doesn’t matter who owns it right now the original creator has established 1-6 as only cannon everything Disney makes is cash grab expanded universe.
Daniel
Lucas created the animated shows years before Disney got involved. Deny it all you want. They’re official lore by George Lucas’s own hand.
Me
Still doesn’t matter that’s still just expanded universe just the same as the old comics and games and books that Lucas ok’d.
Chris
As many have said simply wielding the force doesn’t make you a Jedi or a Sith. For Ashoka, she left/was forced to leave the order as seen in Clone Wars so she’s not a Jedi.
Mr_Feyshade
I find it presumptuous for someone who has simply watched movies or read books to determine what’s canon. The author (and many commenters to this article) are not the people who determine what is and isn’t canon. It makes those of us who appreciate the franchise as a whole, blemishes and all, disappointed in the state of the fandom. If you’re a fan, good. Shut up. If you’re not, good. Shut up. I am tired of the worst part of the community acting like they’re the representatives of it.
UltraVulture
Ahsoka being alive makes all of this an alternate timeline. She wasn’t in the OT bc she was dead in that timeline. Ezra saved her when he went to the world between worlds and thus splintered the timeline.
Alex
I mean. I guess. But why is this question being asked now? Ashoka won’t be the first surviving Jedi to exist through the OT and following it.
Not sure
Wait a min was she actually dead until erza pulled from world beyond worlds
Aiden
Luke was the last jedi. All the people you listed either never technically became a jedi (Cal/Grogu), died by that time (Luminara) or left the jedi (Ahsoka)
Alice
Master Luminara may have survived Order 66 but as seen in Star Wars Rebels she had died prior to New Hope.
CxJagded
The fact of the matter is that Disney only nullified the expanded universe because that didn’t want to have to pay the rights to the authors who wrote them and they have found a loophole when it comes to using key information throughout the expanded universe but changing just a little like 7-9 kylo ren is the son of han and leia(which is really jacen from legacy of the force series), the entire book of boba Fett( as the books of him are the only way they would have known the sarlacc pit), the main bad guy that is named in the Mandalorians series Grand Admiral Thrawn( only introduce in the books as his race doesn’t exist anywhere in 1-6.) The whole coliseum of palpatine clones at the end of 9( again already explained in the books when luke has to destroy them all and the facility making them) The Solo movie was mostly from the books ( Han Solo books)(not to mention the crimson sun only exist in the books). I could go on and on but don’t have all the time in the world to explain what Disney is doing to destroy star wars for the fans that have made it the house hold name is has become.
butts
it went from like 10,000 to maybe like 20 people hiding on shit planets not calling themselves jedi lol
Grand Archivist Luneth
Yoda could not always see the future as clearly as we want to believe he could. He could not forsee Rey or Cal thanks to Emperor Palpatine clouding the force with the sheer amount of evil in him. But, admittedly, their presence does make his statement incorrect.
Calling Ahsoka a jedi, however, or questioning whether the battle of Endor mattered, demonstrates a lack of understanding of a few key points.
First, Ahsoka disavowed the Jedi after being falsely accused of crimes she did not commit. She now walks the path of the living force, and follows her own moral code.
Second, Luke desired to train more jedi after Endor BECAUSE of what Yoda said, leading to the eventual rise of Rey as jedi.
Third, we still don’t know that Cal survived past the downfall of the Empire. It is entirely possible that Vader got to him before Yoda made his remark. After all, Cere did not survive.
Yolandi Van Der Merwe
Return of the Jedi can also be something more personal to Vader in his final moments than anything else in my opinion. I haven’t watched any series yet only movies because of fear that they will change to much but I’m starting to consider watching to be honest because of some things I read I think the series wil be beter sequels than the actual squals we got in movie form
Binz
Force user does not equal jedi. Also, Yoda said what is thought was true – he had been in exile for years, cut off from the force. How would he have known about the other, few survivors?
Ryan
All those members of the Jedi Order with all the power of the force backing them and not one besides her master thought she was innocent of the bombing of the temple? She didn’t quit her Jedi training. They turned their backs on her. I wouldn’t return after my name was cleared either.
Yolandi Van Der Merwe
The way I also interpret The Return of The Jedi is Anikin that “returned” long enough to save Luke. He didn’t die as Darth Vader but as Anikin. That’s what I believed ever since I watched it for the first time at 11 years old. And no matter what they do 32 year old me still see it that way.
Stephen
*Disney* Star Wars fans will be “instantly drawn” to this. Most Star Wars fans won’t be. There is a big difference. Equally, Disney Star Wars isn’t canon.
Haitz Starrworz
Lol I guess having lives isn’t in the menu for star wars fans.
Brendan
Personally I prefer Legends to Canon, but they both have their good and bad sides. I think the main problem people have with “Canon” is the way Disney treats the Star Wars franchise and fans rather than the the content itself. The fact we are even discussing whether this killed it shows it hasn’t because franchises only die when people stop caring.
Daniel DeCastro
The jedi have their own issues. Perhaps Ahsoka will create a different order than that of the Jedi thereby making Yoda’s words correct. Remember, the Jedi had issues with it’s rigid dogma, and I would posit that there is room for an order that does not ask its adherents to emotionally detach themselves as was the issue with Anakin and many others who turned to the dark. Clearly the Jedi are not perfect and while on the right track, they need a more realistic way of creating balance.
Stars wars fan
Which is where the grey jedi come from
Frank
Kathleen Kennedy killed the franchise. Jon and Dave are trying to fix it the best they can.
Art
Forget all of that, we’re not gonna skip the fact that this article is mad inaccurate. Luminara didn’t survive Order 66….. Tell me you didn’t watch rebels without telling me you didn’t watch rebels.
Jon
Haters gonna hate. Was Yoda a clairvoyant? He knew of the Jedi purge; but how much did he truly know of survivors?
Canon already had him reaching out to Ezra in the Rebels series, and that occurs BEFORE the events of the OT.
The Ahsoka series is just the latest venue that I just feel like is going to get criticized like this because some people take up issue with any potential female Jedi, much less those that aren’t a Skywalker.
Did the notion of Mara Jade in the EU get this much flack when her character was first introduced decades ago?
Stars wars fan
In star wars rebels era finds the temple which explains all of the force users. The Sister which is Jedi, The Brother which is Sith, and the Father which is neutral or Grey.
George Lucas
Every one of you NERDS should keep arguing about make believe. There’s no better things to do with your time.
Me
Agreed. But nothing is more funnier that reading certain individuals losing their marbles over someone else’s comment.
Bim
Force wielder is not same as Jedi (or sith). Ashoka self stated multiple times in multiple places she is not Jedi. These are like some basics?
Eric
Easy solution. Ahsoka isn’t a true Jedi. Have a show where the remaining Jedi plot to take out Palps, Vader, and remaining Inquistors, but just another Palpatine trap to get them all together. Ashoka senses something off about it and doesn’t conspire and leaves. Vader and Palps only ones standing. Rest of the Jedi dead. Yes, you will have to kill them off to make it right,but it would make for a great epic showdown.
Hayley
Ahsoka IS NOT A JEDI. She’s as much of a jedi as Merrin from the video games. Being a force user does not make you a Jedi. Midichlorians didn’t cease to exist when the Jedi Order fell.
Robert
Leave it to Disney to totally screw up two of the most beloved science fiction stories ever told, Star Trek and Star Wars by not doing their homework and following each franchise’s story lines history to the letter,making it a difficult task to repair the damage after it was done. Just my opinion.
Me
Disney can’t screw up what you don’t allow. Disney can make a movie right now and have Vader be a woman and call that cannon. It’s up to you whether or not you accept it. Cannon falls with you what you will or will not allow .
Hence everyone rejects the sequel trilogy. Technically speaking this is art of someone else having a new owner change the art does not taint the image cause there will always be that original art there.
Magus
Ahsoka Tano is not a Jedi. She quit the Jedi Order, and never came back. Being a Force-user is not the same thing as being a Jedi.
Likewise, Grogu is not a Jedi. Luke told him to choose whether to be a Jedi or a Mandalorian, and he chose the latter.
Luminara Unduli survived Order 66 but was killed a few years later, so she was still long dead at the time Yoda said Luke was the last of the Jedi.
Cal Kestis’s story to date spans to 9 years prior to ANH and 13 years prior to ROTJ. We don’t yet know how his story ends, so whether he’ll still be alive 13 years later is an open question.
As is whether he’ll still be a Jedi, for that matter. After all, Merrin is the only one who stopped him from going full-on Sith toward the end of Jedi Survivor, and she’s a Nightsister who believes that the Dark Side can be used as a tool without being consumed by it. A belief completely incompatible with the Jedi Code. So it’s entirely possible that by the end of the next game, Cal could be something Yoda doesn’t recognize as a Jedi.
david
Umm Ashoka chose to leave the order…so ummm… yeah she is not a Jedi, but she is a force user who was trained by the jedi more like a Ronin than anything else really, but chose to leave the order, also we still don’t know the fate Cal or the Jedi survivors in that story line so…shrug… and technically Esra isn’t jedi either since he wasn’t formally trained by the jedi order in of it self but rather a jedi padawan post order 66.
Karl
Exactly! I really like the Ronin connection. Very accurate.
Jack
What killed the Star Wars franchise was the sequel series I.e the rise of the First order, Palpatine returning, how quickly star killer base was built the death Star on steroids. Jango Fett being a separatist & Obi-Wan and the Jedi not realising this despite his DNA being used to clone the republic army.
Antedry
Yoda didn’t know everything. He’s just an extremist from a dead religion. So don’t take everything he says as truth.
Karl
Except that– and this is made very clear and is incredibly titular to her as a character– Ahsoka is famously NOT a Jedi, which makes what Yoda said not incorrect. Luke wasn’t a Jedi when he defeated the Empire either– he was supposed to return to Dagobah to complete his training but chose to save his family instead. Grogu is not a Jedi– he chose to forsake his training to stay with Din Djarin, and before that he wasn’t a Jedi either.
Nathaniel
How does ahsoka ruin everything like seriously people. She’s in clone wars and rebels. She almost appeared in a live action movie at the end of the clone wars.
Christian
Did y’all forget that Ashoka left the council before she could even become a Jedi? That fact alone is all you need to know!!! Sooo Ashoka can’t ruin the storyline . IF IM WRONG PLEASE REPLY TO THIS AND CORRECT MY STATEMENT.
Jeff
I think the better question is if all these formidable jedi were lurking in the wood work, why did they let Luke Skywalker, a novice albeit very talented jedi knight face Darth Vader and the Emperor alone?
Kozzmo
It is actually consistent. Luke was told his father was dead, because Darth Vader killed him. It is a Jedi truth. Ashoka never finished her training, because she had a falling out with the council, hence she was not a Jedi. It appears the jedi have a strange relationship with truth, it may not mean what you think it means
Jeff
Disney killed StarWars. Sorry…
Me
That’s why I discredit everything after episode 3 was made. Star wars was officially over once Lucas sold. Even Lucas is upset that Disney is creating these attrocities. But he wanted a few billion dollars to rest easy for the remainder of his days. There’s only so many times he can rerelease new editions of his movies tweaking this and that to pull in more bucks.
Tamara
You all need to out of your parents basement and realize star wars is just a store. Which can change with every show. Stop hating what you don’t now or think you know about the books of star wars and what needs to be canon. The hell with canon, just enjoy the stories. No matter how far fetch they might be, stop killing the new programs because you have a stick up your anus. If all of you have such a problem get a college degree in writing, then you can make star wars what you want. Then all these butt heads can write shit because your stiff Is not what they think is canon. Just sit back and keep your mouth shut.
CxJagded
Tamara you need keep your mouth shut Disney bought Star wars a story that was already written out both in movies and in books if you want to challenge me a knowledge of the books you’re more than welcome to You’re going to lose that fight. Just because I love Star wars and the story that was created by multiple artists who all got approval from George Lucas to continue the story the way it was going doesn’t mean anything about me living in a basement I live in my own house in a successful job I just happen to truly love the story of Star wars. Disney had no rights to go in and destroy what was already created they wanted to make money they didn’t want to have to pay the writers who spent time and months writing the stories because they had already paid for the franchise itself they then used information from the books which were written by writers to create their story without paying them proper rights. You have absolutely no clue what you’re speaking about It isn’t about a story it’s about all the work that everybody who has ever been involved with the Star wars universe has done that Disney has entirely screwed over All they had to have done would have been to pay the rights to the people who wrote the books and make the movies based on that they could have added their own twist and characters they created the mandalorian storyline which is one of the best things they did there is no books about that however they use the bad guy as a person that only exists in the books so where’s the money and things that the writer who created that character deserves to get because Disney chose to use that everybody should have equal rights to that money in Disney is finding ways to screw it out of those people and in the process they have angered those of us who truly love the story of Star wars that was created by Lucas and other writers who spent blood sweat and tears months on end writing those stories for somebody to come in and screw it up because they have money and they want to own the world.
james
Jesus everyon in the comments is wrong
Ahsoka is not a jedi because she rejected the title, its teachings and what it meant, good force user does not mean jedi
Ezra is gone by the time of ep 6
Cal is active in 9bby, so he has a lot of time to die before ep 6
Grogu is a youngling yes, but an untrained one who was being kept until he matured and could learn, remember hes about 5 years younger in ep 6 than in the mandalorian
Luke is still the last known jedi at the point where yoda says that
Jedi is not force user, its a set of ideals and philosophies some force users have that need to be learnt to be a jedi
Me
Also due note Yoda told that to Luke back when Lucas was controlling his own franchise essentially Baby Yoda Ashoka and all of them do not exist. They are merely expanded universe and Disney creations.
One must understand if you expand off of established lore and it conflicts with official cannon then expanded lore becomes moot.
Chewy
It was yodas way of motivation for Luke to become stronger.
Aaron
Master Luminara was confirmed killed during order 66 in Star Wars Rebels.
Lucas Jamac
Anything after the Original Trilogy sucks and are all just “fanfiction” (Lucas’s trilogy prequels included & Lucas’s turd remastered original trilogy too). That’s why the OG Trilogy will never age. That answers that. It’s that simple really.
Stu
More thoughts from someone obviously not up to speed on Star Wars cannon. Yoda knows about Leia cus he was there when she was born. Anakin is the most powerful force user in recent times, so it makes sense that Yoda would focus on his children as the ones to take him down. They are possibly the only ones who could and have the added advantage of having some possible emotional control over Vader. Degobah is also a planet that is naturally force sensitive which is why Yoda is never discovered, he just blends. It would also make sense that cus of this same reason he wouldn’t be able to sense as many, if any, force users l, and Galaxy is a big place! Being in a secret hiding place he also probably wasn’t getting regular Galatia updates.
SNP
Well pretty easy to explain. Disney owns 90 percent of MCU property and that franchise has more holes than a collander, more character flaws than a cubic zirconia and more issues ….. well than the comic books it’ based on. Now Dizzy owns the Star Wars galaxy so you have to expect a few holes well okay a lot of holes not to mention the fact that they could have told thousand different stories but they green lit the last three sequels which were basically just 4 5, and 6 with better cgi and marginally better acting. Why do they always cast the male lead as an emotionally stunted brat and the female character so kick ass. Hmmmmm…..Just saying
James
You wrote this thinking…. Yep this will get attention. If you know the back story of Ahsoka.. you would know she walked away from the Jedi order. Plus she is more of a grey jedi. What Yoda said was fine.
Mr_Staypuft
A certain point of view has carried this franchise through a lot of adjustments and I think what Yoda says in Jedi can be heard another way when looking at the prequels and how the Skywalkers are linked to the prophecy of bringing balance to the force.
Tim
Asoka could kill Luke, Han and Leia and do less damage to the star wars franchise than episode 7,8 and 9
Ben
I was under the assumption that Master Luminara Unduli was killed by the empire??
In SW Rebels (season 1) Kanan and Ezra try to rescue her but she was already dead and her corpse was being kept in stasis to lure the remaining Jedi.
Jay
But ahsoka hasn’t been a jedi since the clone wars
Jaydee
Acolytes seems to be canceled though. Gladly disney sees that they are loosing money and trimmimg the fat of movies and series that doent do to well caused by bad writing. Last star wars series that was good was Andor even though the last scene was cringly written.
Bad Kitty No Milk Tonight
Just as when Jar Jar gets told the ability to speak doesn’t make one intelligent, so does being force sensitive doesn’t make one a Jedi, or a Sith. Being Force sensitive could be used by the Emperor if he felt it necessary so he likely didn’t want to destroy what could become a valuable asset. Order 66 only applied to those who were already Jedi.
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