Are Flight attendants also supposed to be medics? I am thinking that they lost the appeal because even if they had recognized he was in distress, it likely would not have changed the outcome.
At the very least they could have checked if there was a doctor or medic on board. Instead they did nothing under the assumption that the passenger was “unruly”.
No doctor or nurse or medic could have done ANYTHING for him. Nothing. Zero. Zilch. Nada. They wouldn’t even be able to properly diagnose him without the equipment they have in an ER. So what, exactly, did you want the medical professional to do?
You are absolutely correct about this….the only thing that the flight crew could have done is tried to divert and land earlier but even then there is no guarantee it would have helped given his diagnosis of a PE. Also to note, PE’s are very common in those who fly. I have my husband take low dose aspirin starting a week prior to flying (he flies often).
Southwest responsible. They should have medics on board. Or attendants that think you to loud will actually try to help instead of calling security. They are totally responsible and plenty of crooks had to been paid off‼️😡
Oh, for heaven’s sake. You can’t have medics on board each flight “just in case” something happens. And no matter what they did, it would not have helped. Unless they had all of the medical equipment available in an ER, including a CT scanner and specific blood-thinning medications, the guy probably would have died anyway. Medics, Nurses and even Doctors couldn’t have (1) diagnosed him in a timely fashion or (2) treated the PE in any way that would have made a difference. As a Nurse and a former Paramedic and someone who’s husband has had PEs in the past, I can say this with absolute, 100% certainty.
Shows you know zilch, zero, nada about medicine, so please close your mouth and stop sounding like someone with the brain of a flea.
30+ year nurse here who actually survived a PE because of oxygen and the calming people were with me while I waited an hour for an ambulance. At the very least they could have given him 02, possibly an aspirin, and helped calm him. You’re a nurse? You should know that at the absolute minimum they could have tried to soothe him. Shame on the crew. They could have had the pilot conduct an emergency landing. Interesting info— It used to be, quite some time ago, that flight attendants were required to hold a nursing degree.
If they had a nursing degree, they wouldn’t be working for airline money, they’d be in a hospital. The airline can’t be blamed for any medical emergency that happens during a flight. There is no way to know if diverting or doing anything would have helped.
Southwest can’t hire medics to be in every aircraft, nor do the flight attendants go to med school to get their jobs. If there are 137-175 passengers on board, chances are someone knows medical assistance. Sad for the passenger but because of the past 20+ years, you can never assume what is really going on. This was just a sad situation.
At this rate, we are to expecting an entire medical crew, fire and rescue, surgical and the FBI on board each and every flight. So let’s see, a plane ticket will now cost $2000/rt to fly from NYC to Orlando per passenger. Think before you post. This sort of event could not have been circumvented by any medic on the flight.
I only fly delta! I love the crew. Never met a mean one. After having so many bad experiences from other airlines, I just happened to finally book a delta flight and was so impressed with everything! Won’t go back!
Although this is a tragedy to say the least . This gentleman even under the best conditions Survival was low .
However in todays climate when someone is acting unusual it’s to quickly identified and reported as UNRULY . Given the nature of flying and the limited access, All Airlines at a very minimal should be ordered by the FAA to retrain how they assess and handle situations and have at least one crew member EMT certified to some capacity.
I feel so horrible for the man’s family. Sounds like he was unable to communicate. Oakland to John Wayne is a short flight. Diverting could have probably only saved 30 minutes maximum. It does not say at which stage of the flight the man was in the toilet making loud noises. Most likely the crew did try to communicate with him. I wonder if some kind of training could help for future similar events.
Comments for Southwest Passenger Dies After Being Mistaken as Unruly, Airline Wins Lawsuit
Carol
At the very least the attendants could have comforted that dying man.
I would be forever saddened
to think my loved one suffered alone 😢
Debra
I agree Carol. Very sad for his family.
Carol
I agree and you took the words right out of my mouth!!
Lisa
Are Flight attendants also supposed to be medics? I am thinking that they lost the appeal because even if they had recognized he was in distress, it likely would not have changed the outcome.
Jason
At the very least they could have checked if there was a doctor or medic on board. Instead they did nothing under the assumption that the passenger was “unruly”.
Trixie
No doctor or nurse or medic could have done ANYTHING for him. Nothing. Zero. Zilch. Nada. They wouldn’t even be able to properly diagnose him without the equipment they have in an ER. So what, exactly, did you want the medical professional to do?
SMH…..
B Clements
You are wrong. They could have provided oxygen at the very least.
JG
You are absolutely correct about this….the only thing that the flight crew could have done is tried to divert and land earlier but even then there is no guarantee it would have helped given his diagnosis of a PE. Also to note, PE’s are very common in those who fly. I have my husband take low dose aspirin starting a week prior to flying (he flies often).
Alicia
No but they could have notified the captain who could have made an emergency landing.
Tina Fay
Southwest responsible. They should have medics on board. Or attendants that think you to loud will actually try to help instead of calling security. They are totally responsible and plenty of crooks had to been paid off‼️😡
Trixie
Oh, for heaven’s sake. You can’t have medics on board each flight “just in case” something happens. And no matter what they did, it would not have helped. Unless they had all of the medical equipment available in an ER, including a CT scanner and specific blood-thinning medications, the guy probably would have died anyway. Medics, Nurses and even Doctors couldn’t have (1) diagnosed him in a timely fashion or (2) treated the PE in any way that would have made a difference. As a Nurse and a former Paramedic and someone who’s husband has had PEs in the past, I can say this with absolute, 100% certainty.
Shows you know zilch, zero, nada about medicine, so please close your mouth and stop sounding like someone with the brain of a flea.
B Clements
30+ year nurse here who actually survived a PE because of oxygen and the calming people were with me while I waited an hour for an ambulance. At the very least they could have given him 02, possibly an aspirin, and helped calm him. You’re a nurse? You should know that at the absolute minimum they could have tried to soothe him. Shame on the crew. They could have had the pilot conduct an emergency landing. Interesting info— It used to be, quite some time ago, that flight attendants were required to hold a nursing degree.
Steve
If they had a nursing degree, they wouldn’t be working for airline money, they’d be in a hospital. The airline can’t be blamed for any medical emergency that happens during a flight. There is no way to know if diverting or doing anything would have helped.
Mane
Sure, there are just 500,000 doctors and nurses just lying around willing to fly in planes for free.
Ricky Mouse
Southwest can’t hire medics to be in every aircraft, nor do the flight attendants go to med school to get their jobs. If there are 137-175 passengers on board, chances are someone knows medical assistance. Sad for the passenger but because of the past 20+ years, you can never assume what is really going on. This was just a sad situation.
Medic
At this rate, we are to expecting an entire medical crew, fire and rescue, surgical and the FBI on board each and every flight. So let’s see, a plane ticket will now cost $2000/rt to fly from NYC to Orlando per passenger. Think before you post. This sort of event could not have been circumvented by any medic on the flight.
Lacy Poy
When they said it was a security threat and it was a medical emergency Southwest is responsible. Are we living in the twilight zone ‼️
Amanda
I only fly delta! I love the crew. Never met a mean one. After having so many bad experiences from other airlines, I just happened to finally book a delta flight and was so impressed with everything! Won’t go back!
KMAN
Although this is a tragedy to say the least . This gentleman even under the best conditions Survival was low .
However in todays climate when someone is acting unusual it’s to quickly identified and reported as UNRULY . Given the nature of flying and the limited access, All Airlines at a very minimal should be ordered by the FAA to retrain how they assess and handle situations and have at least one crew member EMT certified to some capacity.
Tom
I feel so horrible for the man’s family. Sounds like he was unable to communicate. Oakland to John Wayne is a short flight. Diverting could have probably only saved 30 minutes maximum. It does not say at which stage of the flight the man was in the toilet making loud noises. Most likely the crew did try to communicate with him. I wonder if some kind of training could help for future similar events.
Robert
Not the brightest people I will never fly
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