I think most fans were already upset about the disrespectful changes to the character and her utterly unfaithful adaptation to the screen. This just adds insult to injury. There was absolutely no reason for it. Clan Destine should have been it’s own series.
Well, there WAS reason for it–A stupid reason.
Since Kamala got her blessing from Carol Danvers to be the new Ms. Marvel, they wanted to make it look like they both had “cosmic energy” powers, thus linking the canon.
If they’d waited till after Dr. Strange 2, maybe they could bring the Terragen mist back again and taken another stab at the Inhumans, but no, we need corporate synergy for that Brie Larson sequel.
(Also, it was cheaper. Another stupid reason.)
Missing the entire point, of course, that like Peter Parker, Ms. K is a teenage amateur superhero, can’t get a handle on her powers yet, and hasn’t, to her occasional embarrassment, figured out how to change her size to the same proportions, like the more professional heroes do.
She’s at that “awkward” stage.
Where was the concern over the use of djinn in Aladdin?
That lamp story has been around a while. The whole three wishes granted is a sinful story by the way these comments have suggested.
Time to scrub those fairytale sources to present more Orthodox versions.
And how exactly did those wishes go exactly? Wish to be a prince failed. Wish to be saved from drowning was genie acting on his own initiative. Wish to free genie was explicitly not asking him to do anything and agreeing that he *shouldn’t* be made to grant wishes.
And Jafar’s wishes were pretty much all monkey paws that ended up ruining him.
The moral of “trying to get miracles from genies is a fool’s endeavor” was pretty ingrained.
And secondly, there *was* controversy over caricatures of arabian culture in Aladdin. That’s why the remastered versions have some differences in lines.
People need to chill out with being offended over everything Marvel does. Did you forget that comic book characters are all just FICTION anyway?
If Marvel tries to respect one person’s culture/religion/race/ethnicity, they end up dis-respecting someone else’s. If you don’t like what you see, DON’T LOOK!
But you’ve never been aggravated when a movie doesn’t match a book you loved and waited for to be a movie? Because that’s what is happening here. Marvel is changing important plot points. There’s a big difference in being a djinn and being an Inhuman.
The outrage over this is just sad. It’s people being angry that the brown girl gets representation and masking it as being a problem with the canon somehow. Superman didn’t start off with half the powers he had – he was just an ordinary, strong, fast human. The rest came over many decades. Batman wasn’t the same character he started as. None of them were.
When the people being represented by the “brown girl” are the ones upset because their religion is being misrepresented, there’s a problem. As for not having canon powers, her origin story is widely different than the comics. Djinn is nowhere near Inhuman. That could affect her future storyline considerably.
We still don’t know the origin. We got the story from an “exiled” person and the directors of the first episode even said her powers won’t look the same at the end of the season. No need to write premature articles. Plenty of fans online having a good time with the series.
There are plenty of stories about Jinn of Arabic and Islamic origin that probably would have gotten just as much backlash from yourselves, had they put “Marvel” in front of it. Don’t forget Aladdin had Jinn and for centuries, Islamic and Arabian culture didn’t fight or consider it offensive.
So far, I am enjoying how Marvel is actually hinting and touching on things and I don’t find it incompatible with my beliefs as a Muslim and a girl.
Everyone needs to calm down. Don’t ruin this experience for us.
Marvel fanbois will find absolutely ANY little detail to complain and be “offended” about. The real offense of this show is that it’s poorly written, unwatchable trash
I can’t speak to the religious and cultural aspects of this issue, it would be disrespectful if I did. What I am curious about is the mention of Nakia being whitewashed. The actress playing her is of mixed heritage, and she addresses that in her conversation with Kamala in the bathroom. Sincerely, is there a problem with this?
How exactly is this cultural misrepresentation when the creator of the show is a Pakistani woman? Everyone acting like it’s written by a bunch of white dudes. This show felt more authentic than anything I’ve ever seen in terms of representing this culture.
Lest we forget that Marvel’s canon way of including deities of all religions and myth are by assigning them as inter dimensional beings. This is on brand.
Disney already messed up with captain marvel an and trying mesh both captain marvel and Ms. marvels storylines into one another if the would have used the correct storylines they could have brought in the X-Men into the marvel universe big miss on Disney’s part
I feel that although Marvel is currently using the djinn aspect of Kamala’s storyline to explain her powers to a certain degree, they were clever enough to not fully “lock it in”; I think down the road, Kamala’s powers can/will be subtly retconned to some extent, allowing her to have a more comicbook accurate version of her powers. They slightly hinted at the possibility of her DNA being the reason she can use the bangles, which leaves the door open for her to actually being an inhuman prior to her obtaining the bangles. It may be revealed that the bangles are actually constructed with terrigen mist enhanced materials which resulted in Kamala’s inhuman abilities to manifest; (imagine IF she’s eventually somehow infused internally with the power of the bangles, resulting in her finally having a more source material related version of her powers?) the djinn storyline could culturally be a secondary subplot. In any case, I do enjoy the series & look forward to seeing what happens with Kamala in “Marvels!”
It’s bad enough that Disney is trying to indoctrinate our children with sexual agendas, now they’re trying to make our children and fans think that it’s cool to be a demon.. I’m about done with Disney
‘Djinn’ actually isn’t Islamic. ‘Jinn’ is the Islamic copy of ‘Djinn’ from Persian Zoroastrianism (hence the usual Islamic distortion/condensing of aspects into one thing, thinking Jinns are ‘beings of flame and vapor’ = Djinn (supernatural genies)+ Zoroastrianism’s symbolism of fire. So this show is insulting to Zoroastrians as well!
Considering that a lot of Muslims blame almost everything that appears supernatural on jinn, it would actually be kind of realistic for someone like Kamala to assume that the bangle and her powers are somehow connected with the jinn. In this case, the writers decided to actually make that assumption correct.
Or everyone could just chill. I, a Christian, had never heard of djinn, but looked it up to find out what the non Disney version was. I am now in the know because of a term that a whole heap of Muslim Americans are getting butthurt over, when in reality, I would have never inquired about it to understand the term had it not been used. Disney has exposed this culture and some of it’s terms to a whole new audience while highlighting the commonality of our shared humanity. I would count it as a win.
Comments for Marvel’s HUGE Mistake is “Disrespectful” and “Offensive” to Fans
Jason
I think most fans were already upset about the disrespectful changes to the character and her utterly unfaithful adaptation to the screen. This just adds insult to injury. There was absolutely no reason for it. Clan Destine should have been it’s own series.
EricJ
Well, there WAS reason for it–A stupid reason.
Since Kamala got her blessing from Carol Danvers to be the new Ms. Marvel, they wanted to make it look like they both had “cosmic energy” powers, thus linking the canon.
If they’d waited till after Dr. Strange 2, maybe they could bring the Terragen mist back again and taken another stab at the Inhumans, but no, we need corporate synergy for that Brie Larson sequel.
(Also, it was cheaper. Another stupid reason.)
Missing the entire point, of course, that like Peter Parker, Ms. K is a teenage amateur superhero, can’t get a handle on her powers yet, and hasn’t, to her occasional embarrassment, figured out how to change her size to the same proportions, like the more professional heroes do.
She’s at that “awkward” stage.
Jon
Where was the concern over the use of djinn in Aladdin?
That lamp story has been around a while. The whole three wishes granted is a sinful story by the way these comments have suggested.
Time to scrub those fairytale sources to present more Orthodox versions.
James
And how exactly did those wishes go exactly? Wish to be a prince failed. Wish to be saved from drowning was genie acting on his own initiative. Wish to free genie was explicitly not asking him to do anything and agreeing that he *shouldn’t* be made to grant wishes.
And Jafar’s wishes were pretty much all monkey paws that ended up ruining him.
The moral of “trying to get miracles from genies is a fool’s endeavor” was pretty ingrained.
James
And secondly, there *was* controversy over caricatures of arabian culture in Aladdin. That’s why the remastered versions have some differences in lines.
Someone Else
People need to chill out with being offended over everything Marvel does. Did you forget that comic book characters are all just FICTION anyway?
If Marvel tries to respect one person’s culture/religion/race/ethnicity, they end up dis-respecting someone else’s. If you don’t like what you see, DON’T LOOK!
Kat
But you’ve never been aggravated when a movie doesn’t match a book you loved and waited for to be a movie? Because that’s what is happening here. Marvel is changing important plot points. There’s a big difference in being a djinn and being an Inhuman.
Saoirse
The outrage over this is just sad. It’s people being angry that the brown girl gets representation and masking it as being a problem with the canon somehow. Superman didn’t start off with half the powers he had – he was just an ordinary, strong, fast human. The rest came over many decades. Batman wasn’t the same character he started as. None of them were.
Kat
When the people being represented by the “brown girl” are the ones upset because their religion is being misrepresented, there’s a problem. As for not having canon powers, her origin story is widely different than the comics. Djinn is nowhere near Inhuman. That could affect her future storyline considerably.
Rantanamo
We still don’t know the origin. We got the story from an “exiled” person and the directors of the first episode even said her powers won’t look the same at the end of the season. No need to write premature articles. Plenty of fans online having a good time with the series.
Elise A
There are plenty of stories about Jinn of Arabic and Islamic origin that probably would have gotten just as much backlash from yourselves, had they put “Marvel” in front of it. Don’t forget Aladdin had Jinn and for centuries, Islamic and Arabian culture didn’t fight or consider it offensive.
So far, I am enjoying how Marvel is actually hinting and touching on things and I don’t find it incompatible with my beliefs as a Muslim and a girl.
Everyone needs to calm down. Don’t ruin this experience for us.
MarvelSux
Marvel fanbois will find absolutely ANY little detail to complain and be “offended” about. The real offense of this show is that it’s poorly written, unwatchable trash
Hector
Maybe she just a djinnhuman. Lol
Bonnie
I can’t speak to the religious and cultural aspects of this issue, it would be disrespectful if I did. What I am curious about is the mention of Nakia being whitewashed. The actress playing her is of mixed heritage, and she addresses that in her conversation with Kamala in the bathroom. Sincerely, is there a problem with this?
Mr Blurph
How exactly is this cultural misrepresentation when the creator of the show is a Pakistani woman? Everyone acting like it’s written by a bunch of white dudes. This show felt more authentic than anything I’ve ever seen in terms of representing this culture.
Lest we forget that Marvel’s canon way of including deities of all religions and myth are by assigning them as inter dimensional beings. This is on brand.
James
The controversy isn’t “djinn are aliens” though. The controversy is a character being a djinn and being the one that people would ask for miracles.
JOSHUA DALTON
Disney already messed up with captain marvel an and trying mesh both captain marvel and Ms. marvels storylines into one another if the would have used the correct storylines they could have brought in the X-Men into the marvel universe big miss on Disney’s part
Alonzo Golden
I feel that although Marvel is currently using the djinn aspect of Kamala’s storyline to explain her powers to a certain degree, they were clever enough to not fully “lock it in”; I think down the road, Kamala’s powers can/will be subtly retconned to some extent, allowing her to have a more comicbook accurate version of her powers. They slightly hinted at the possibility of her DNA being the reason she can use the bangles, which leaves the door open for her to actually being an inhuman prior to her obtaining the bangles. It may be revealed that the bangles are actually constructed with terrigen mist enhanced materials which resulted in Kamala’s inhuman abilities to manifest; (imagine IF she’s eventually somehow infused internally with the power of the bangles, resulting in her finally having a more source material related version of her powers?) the djinn storyline could culturally be a secondary subplot. In any case, I do enjoy the series & look forward to seeing what happens with Kamala in “Marvels!”
Me
It’s bad enough that Disney is trying to indoctrinate our children with sexual agendas, now they’re trying to make our children and fans think that it’s cool to be a demon.. I’m about done with Disney
Handsome Jack
‘Djinn’ actually isn’t Islamic. ‘Jinn’ is the Islamic copy of ‘Djinn’ from Persian Zoroastrianism (hence the usual Islamic distortion/condensing of aspects into one thing, thinking Jinns are ‘beings of flame and vapor’ = Djinn (supernatural genies)+ Zoroastrianism’s symbolism of fire. So this show is insulting to Zoroastrians as well!
Prognosis
Considering that a lot of Muslims blame almost everything that appears supernatural on jinn, it would actually be kind of realistic for someone like Kamala to assume that the bangle and her powers are somehow connected with the jinn. In this case, the writers decided to actually make that assumption correct.
KEVIN H JONES
Or everyone could just chill. I, a Christian, had never heard of djinn, but looked it up to find out what the non Disney version was. I am now in the know because of a term that a whole heap of Muslim Americans are getting butthurt over, when in reality, I would have never inquired about it to understand the term had it not been used. Disney has exposed this culture and some of it’s terms to a whole new audience while highlighting the commonality of our shared humanity. I would count it as a win.
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