Are you sure Ms. Marvel’s “plummet” is because of competition, and not because of fans howling over idiotic changes to the original to try and shoehorn the character into the MCU Brie Larson-verse?
(“Glowing power fists?…The HECK??”)
You can put lipstick on a pig but that doesn’t change it from being a pig! No one is watchin Ms Marvel because it’s not good! It’s pushing agendas and society is Finally pushing back! In fact, Ms Marvel isn’t the only “woke” propaganda show with low ratings now is it? Good riddance.
Lol! Blaming obi wan for ms marvels lows rating is laughable. Mr Marvel isn’t a bad show. If it wasn’t so sat urday morning teen show, it could be good.
Blame the entire premise of the show. I mean, really?! You guys need to pull back on the crazy train brakes. The US is in the middle of a horrible destruction of it’s economy and are attempting to stem the flow of freedom that has been full blast gushing for the past 18 months. No amount of ‘woke’ is going to attract people to watch something so fundamentally antiAmerican no matter how much you try. So just stop trying so hard to jam a square peg into a round hole and go back to bringing us quality entertainment and stay away from politics.
We’ll said. Why do you think Too Gun is doing so well. It’s because it’s pro-American, no woke crap. It’s just good ole entertainment without an agenda from the left.
I’ve watched all the episodes and though the cast is great, the story and changes to Kamala’s character are just not good. The changes to her powers are stupid and don’t fit the real character. The show is more high school drama than superhero show. There are plenty of drama’s on TV. MCU shows need to be about the superhero. I’ve learned that if the critic’s love something than usually the fans are better off without it.
Crystal, most don’t know either they just throw the term woke around. I haven’t seen Top Gun hear it’s great. Haven’t seen the new Jurassic Park and I hear it’s terrible. No one mentioned anything about wokeness with either of those projects to me. Conversely I hear people saying Obi Wan is too “woke” as well. So how is it doing so well if that too is “woke”. I can’t keep up with this stuff.
Ms Marvel is a fine show for Nickelodeon, no doubt about it. Releasing it on the heels of the Prequel Kenobi means that a lot of people who grew up with that trilogy would rather spend time with that face-off (Vader v Kenobi) than Kamala.
Give it time. It will find its audience.
As for being “woke” and anti-American, that is the silliest thing I’ve read since I read the concept sheet for Har-Har…I mean, Jar-Jar Binks.
As a lifelong Star Wars fan of 38 years, I find myself liking Ms. Marvel far better than the Obi-Wan Kenobi show. It’s creative and colorful, and the characters are likeable. The writing is good so far, definitely better than the writing for Kenobi.
It’s funny because I was just going to watch it with my wife because she likes Ms. Marvel. Now I find myself looking forward to that rather than the Star Wars show, which is freaking sad, as it shows how bad Star Wars has fallen under Disney.
Maybe it plummeted because it sucks. We tried to watch it and were incredibly disappointed!
We are people that can watch multiple shows throughout the day since only one episode airs once a week. So your thought on everyone engrossed in Kenobi is ridiculous as it only airs once a week! I’m sure other marvel and Star Wars do the same 🙄 if Disney made a marvel show worth while and good we would be watching both series! In our opinion, my (husband and myself) feel marvel has lost its way. The only recent movie that’s any good is Spider-Man, everything sucks!
Ignorance reigns over 90% of the comments left here by people who are close minded. The article speaks about the numbers over the first “5 days of viewership.” Reading the comments (😂😂) by all of you who call Ms Marvel “bad, poorly written, woke, etc., etc) shows the division between those of us who have seen the show with an open mind, heart, and had a good childhood. Thus we can relate to aspects of the show and we can watch and enjoy it. BUT I bet the farm that all of you who knock on the show are bitter souls who only thrive fights, shoot-outs, high speed car chases, and murder, so since Ms. Marvel never offered you all that since it’s initial advertising, you call it “bad” and will never like it 😂🤣😂🤣. Now that the TRUTH.
You are wrong in your (mean hearted, refusing to allow for differing opinions or positions) assumptions here. You seem to feel the need to defend something which you perceive as “good” by devaluing and putting your own thoughts, motives and rationale into why everyone else is wrong or stupid whose taste isn’t exactly like yours. Or so it would seem. Why do so many people turn to hate and fighting so quickly these days? It’s very disheartening, but I guess it is what it is, as they say. I for one am for listening, considering and thinking, not this villifying, black and white mentality so prevalent throughout human culture and taught to young people. So many people believe they have a monopoly on truth and morality, and both sides are at fault, from my point of view. Hate and attempted humiliation are not going to make things better or make your “enemies” go away or see your points as valid.
I watched Ms Marvel. Seemed like it belonged as a disney kids series rather than the Marvel universe. The changes to the character probably lead into the over done awkward teen in highschool genre. The only bright spot is the actress who did a great job with the role. I’ll watch one more to see if it gets better.
Yes I agree with most comments here that this has nothing to do with Obi-Wan Kenobi and it has mostly to do with bad decision making by Disney/Marvel.
The acting is fine but this idea of trying to change the original character to this teenage Muslim girl from New Jersey that has different super powers is pathetic and I’m not sure if I believe in this whole woke idea but Hollywood is definitely trying to push a broader inclusive ideology at the most inappropriate time that people are struggling throughout the country and just want simple entertainment and not any kind of political or gender or race type of agenda. Plus this is a kids show not a mature Marvel show.
Obviously Disney/marvel do not understand what works and what does not work these days as it has nothing to do with Obi-Wan Kenobi as there’s other better shows than watching some kids nickelodeon teen show which is unfortunately using the miss marvel as a platform .
Maybe stick to what works and push it over to a kid show and it will probably do much better especially in a different market esp Middle East. Maybe they can use it as a promo for the Qatar world cup 🙂
It’ll eventually find an audience somewhere on the planet that’s the beauty of the worldwide web these days. Marvel is not watched just in the USA anymore these days. It’ll be interesting to see where it ends up being successful. I hear the Taliban love it but they’re not promoting those ratings for some reason 🙂
Ms Marvel just isn’t a good show. It’s silly, even by teen standards and the superhero elements don’t appeal. Even Obi-Wan isn’t great but at least it has characters people care about.
So if people disagree with your opinion, that makes them ignorant? That’s the same mentality that blames racism for the show not doing well. Or blames scheduling in the modern age of streaming on demand for why people aren’t watching. It couldn’t possibly be because people just aren’t interested or they feel the show just isn’t really that good.
I gave it a chance and found the main character to be slightly annoying, the mother unlikable, the best friend’s abilities to be inexplicable and convenient, and spent the first two episodes mostly being bored. My two teenage daughters didn’t even like it. For the people that are enjoying it, that’s great for you, but your opinion is no more valid than the rest of us.
For the record I have enjoyed both shows and have never passed a course in statistics but I do know that you have obviously missed an important principle thereof. Youre making the ‘colder weather causes housefires’ mistake. It’s get cold, people start wood fires with old dry gunk in the works and there are fires. Its so obvious I’m almost ready to ask if the author was trying to be obtuse. Especially with all the other drama surrounding both shows. I will therefore ignore this author from now on.
The success or failure of this show has nothing to do with Obi-Wan, it is not even made for the same audience. The show is actually cute and worth watching, however it is aimed for 12-14 year old girls and I guess they are just not that interested in Ms. Marvel. It isn’t horribly “woke” and seems fairly true to life for a young teen Muslim girl. I have heard it varies from the comic but not being a comic book reader for the last 50 years I can’t comment on that.
They always have some excuse why something doesn’t do well. It’s not for me like many other people are saying the same thing. Comics didn’t sell, why would they think people would watch the show?
Maybe if Disney stopped going “woke” and making this wack ass characters the fans will love the new shows like all the prior ones. What’s next? Squirrel girl? And the main character is LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ? ENOUGH WITH THE BS
It’s not woke, it’s called representation. If you’re a cisgender, straight, white male, (I said IF) for example, you have no idea what it means to spend most of your life wondering why no one like you is visible in movies and TV. Imagine if every movie you saw was entirely made up of LGBTQ+ POC with disabilities & you couldn’t relate at all. EVER. That’s precisely how we feel. Then, when we finally get a tiny morsel of something resembling who we are, how we look, think, act & feel, we’re made to feel guilty for enjoying it. That, or it’s done horribly wrong, isn’t organic & feels forced. That just gives people more fuel for their argument that “normalizing” everyone is “woke”.
Good to see the incels out strong on this thread. This article is spot on. Ms Marvel is next up on the watch list, but it’s been competing with working through stranger things s4 and obi-wan. There’s just not enough time in the day to watch all the content, which is a good thing to have so much variety and choice. Looking forward to catching up on the new series though, Ms Marvel looks great!
Umm. I watch them both on Wednesday’s. About it being good or bad, I don’t know yet. I didn’t like WandaVision, Falcon and the Winter Solder, Moon Kinght until about halfway through the show. Nor did I dislike Hawkeye until the midway point either.
I couldn’t get through the first 5 min of bad acting and blatant anti-American. I’ve been a Marvel fan since the 70s and this whole rewrite of heroes is sad, especially to appease certain people. Heroes were start by the geeks who were picked on and couldn’t get the girl. Now because it’s gone main stream everyone wants a piece.
I didn’t make it through the FIRST episode of Ms.Marvel, it was too kiddie and was telling a story I just didn’t care about. I have enjoyed Kenobi though!…Kenobi isn’t going to win any awards but the story has been fun.
Disney is adding way too many Marvel & Star Wars shows. I gave up awhile ago. If they slowed down the pace, maybe some wouldn’t be forgotten. I mean, who also doesn’t have 218 Marvel movies to catch up on? It’s a bit much.
How can you blame one show on Disney+ for the fall of another? All you have to do is watch the Star Wars section, then go watch the Marvel section. What’s causing Ms. Marvel to fail is it’s a very poorly made show, trying to hard to appeal to the younger generation, and is failing miserably with all the changes they are making from the comic. Don’t blame Star Wars.
Comments for ‘Star Wars’ ‘Kenobi’ Causes Forgotten Marvel Series to Plummet
EricJ
Are you sure Ms. Marvel’s “plummet” is because of competition, and not because of fans howling over idiotic changes to the original to try and shoehorn the character into the MCU Brie Larson-verse?
(“Glowing power fists?…The HECK??”)
Lmntx
Can’t blame Obi-wan for this Marvel fan not watching…blame the trailer and the storyline.
Victor Nazarian
Although Obi-Wan is really Obi-Wanting it’s better than Ms. Marvel.
People are not watching Ms. Marvel because it’s not good.
Noneya
You can put lipstick on a pig but that doesn’t change it from being a pig! No one is watchin Ms Marvel because it’s not good! It’s pushing agendas and society is Finally pushing back! In fact, Ms Marvel isn’t the only “woke” propaganda show with low ratings now is it? Good riddance.
Hoghunter09
Forbes threw the racism card into the mix. Man! What a shame! We cannot dislike a show bcuz its a bad show bcuz then we are called racist.
Chris Wood
Lol! Blaming obi wan for ms marvels lows rating is laughable. Mr Marvel isn’t a bad show. If it wasn’t so sat urday morning teen show, it could be good.
kit
Blame the entire premise of the show. I mean, really?! You guys need to pull back on the crazy train brakes. The US is in the middle of a horrible destruction of it’s economy and are attempting to stem the flow of freedom that has been full blast gushing for the past 18 months. No amount of ‘woke’ is going to attract people to watch something so fundamentally antiAmerican no matter how much you try. So just stop trying so hard to jam a square peg into a round hole and go back to bringing us quality entertainment and stay away from politics.
Exactly
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼Well said! Coiled have said it any better!
joseph allen
We’ll said. Why do you think Too Gun is doing so well. It’s because it’s pro-American, no woke crap. It’s just good ole entertainment without an agenda from the left.
Crystal
I haven’t seen the show, so I have no idea what it’s about, but what makes Ms. Marvel “woke”??
Just curious what people are meaning by that when they say that. Because I hope it’s not what I THINK they’re saying….
Brian
Racist
Mir win
I’ve watched all the episodes and though the cast is great, the story and changes to Kamala’s character are just not good. The changes to her powers are stupid and don’t fit the real character. The show is more high school drama than superhero show. There are plenty of drama’s on TV. MCU shows need to be about the superhero. I’ve learned that if the critic’s love something than usually the fans are better off without it.
Darrell
Crystal, most don’t know either they just throw the term woke around. I haven’t seen Top Gun hear it’s great. Haven’t seen the new Jurassic Park and I hear it’s terrible. No one mentioned anything about wokeness with either of those projects to me. Conversely I hear people saying Obi Wan is too “woke” as well. So how is it doing so well if that too is “woke”. I can’t keep up with this stuff.
Carl
Ms Marvel is a fine show for Nickelodeon, no doubt about it. Releasing it on the heels of the Prequel Kenobi means that a lot of people who grew up with that trilogy would rather spend time with that face-off (Vader v Kenobi) than Kamala.
Give it time. It will find its audience.
As for being “woke” and anti-American, that is the silliest thing I’ve read since I read the concept sheet for Har-Har…I mean, Jar-Jar Binks.
Tom Meyer
I agree with Carl and M. Strain Jr.
M. Strain Jr.
As a lifelong Star Wars fan of 38 years, I find myself liking Ms. Marvel far better than the Obi-Wan Kenobi show. It’s creative and colorful, and the characters are likeable. The writing is good so far, definitely better than the writing for Kenobi.
It’s funny because I was just going to watch it with my wife because she likes Ms. Marvel. Now I find myself looking forward to that rather than the Star Wars show, which is freaking sad, as it shows how bad Star Wars has fallen under Disney.
AH
Have watched all the kenobi episodes and the writing is lame. Obviously Filoni and his crew are not doing it.
James
It has nothing to do with Obi-wan. This Ms Marvel seems totally lame from any commercial or preview. The general population just doesn’t care.
Kevin
No one was asking for a Ms. Marvel show. The comic books failed, because of the entire virtue signaling premise.
The show if failing for the same reason, but the people who run Marvel/Disney either don’t care, or they’re completely incompetent.
Lol- ridiculous article
Maybe it plummeted because it sucks. We tried to watch it and were incredibly disappointed!
We are people that can watch multiple shows throughout the day since only one episode airs once a week. So your thought on everyone engrossed in Kenobi is ridiculous as it only airs once a week! I’m sure other marvel and Star Wars do the same 🙄 if Disney made a marvel show worth while and good we would be watching both series! In our opinion, my (husband and myself) feel marvel has lost its way. The only recent movie that’s any good is Spider-Man, everything sucks!
REALITyCHECK
Ignorance reigns over 90% of the comments left here by people who are close minded. The article speaks about the numbers over the first “5 days of viewership.” Reading the comments (😂😂) by all of you who call Ms Marvel “bad, poorly written, woke, etc., etc) shows the division between those of us who have seen the show with an open mind, heart, and had a good childhood. Thus we can relate to aspects of the show and we can watch and enjoy it. BUT I bet the farm that all of you who knock on the show are bitter souls who only thrive fights, shoot-outs, high speed car chases, and murder, so since Ms. Marvel never offered you all that since it’s initial advertising, you call it “bad” and will never like it 😂🤣😂🤣. Now that the TRUTH.
James
You are wrong in your (mean hearted, refusing to allow for differing opinions or positions) assumptions here. You seem to feel the need to defend something which you perceive as “good” by devaluing and putting your own thoughts, motives and rationale into why everyone else is wrong or stupid whose taste isn’t exactly like yours. Or so it would seem. Why do so many people turn to hate and fighting so quickly these days? It’s very disheartening, but I guess it is what it is, as they say. I for one am for listening, considering and thinking, not this villifying, black and white mentality so prevalent throughout human culture and taught to young people. So many people believe they have a monopoly on truth and morality, and both sides are at fault, from my point of view. Hate and attempted humiliation are not going to make things better or make your “enemies” go away or see your points as valid.
BB
Nobody cares about a brown girl from New Jersey. Not even the brown girls.
Kelly Connerton
I watched Ms Marvel. Seemed like it belonged as a disney kids series rather than the Marvel universe. The changes to the character probably lead into the over done awkward teen in highschool genre. The only bright spot is the actress who did a great job with the role. I’ll watch one more to see if it gets better.
EE
Yes I agree with most comments here that this has nothing to do with Obi-Wan Kenobi and it has mostly to do with bad decision making by Disney/Marvel.
The acting is fine but this idea of trying to change the original character to this teenage Muslim girl from New Jersey that has different super powers is pathetic and I’m not sure if I believe in this whole woke idea but Hollywood is definitely trying to push a broader inclusive ideology at the most inappropriate time that people are struggling throughout the country and just want simple entertainment and not any kind of political or gender or race type of agenda. Plus this is a kids show not a mature Marvel show.
Obviously Disney/marvel do not understand what works and what does not work these days as it has nothing to do with Obi-Wan Kenobi as there’s other better shows than watching some kids nickelodeon teen show which is unfortunately using the miss marvel as a platform .
Maybe stick to what works and push it over to a kid show and it will probably do much better especially in a different market esp Middle East. Maybe they can use it as a promo for the Qatar world cup 🙂
It’ll eventually find an audience somewhere on the planet that’s the beauty of the worldwide web these days. Marvel is not watched just in the USA anymore these days. It’ll be interesting to see where it ends up being successful. I hear the Taliban love it but they’re not promoting those ratings for some reason 🙂
Mary
Ms Marvel just isn’t a good show. It’s silly, even by teen standards and the superhero elements don’t appeal. Even Obi-Wan isn’t great but at least it has characters people care about.
Mary
If you want a better teen show featuring Indian teen protagonist, watch Never Have I Ever.
EricR
So if people disagree with your opinion, that makes them ignorant? That’s the same mentality that blames racism for the show not doing well. Or blames scheduling in the modern age of streaming on demand for why people aren’t watching. It couldn’t possibly be because people just aren’t interested or they feel the show just isn’t really that good.
I gave it a chance and found the main character to be slightly annoying, the mother unlikable, the best friend’s abilities to be inexplicable and convenient, and spent the first two episodes mostly being bored. My two teenage daughters didn’t even like it. For the people that are enjoying it, that’s great for you, but your opinion is no more valid than the rest of us.
Lil
For the record I have enjoyed both shows and have never passed a course in statistics but I do know that you have obviously missed an important principle thereof. Youre making the ‘colder weather causes housefires’ mistake. It’s get cold, people start wood fires with old dry gunk in the works and there are fires. Its so obvious I’m almost ready to ask if the author was trying to be obtuse. Especially with all the other drama surrounding both shows. I will therefore ignore this author from now on.
Jamie Coughlin
The success or failure of this show has nothing to do with Obi-Wan, it is not even made for the same audience. The show is actually cute and worth watching, however it is aimed for 12-14 year old girls and I guess they are just not that interested in Ms. Marvel. It isn’t horribly “woke” and seems fairly true to life for a young teen Muslim girl. I have heard it varies from the comic but not being a comic book reader for the last 50 years I can’t comment on that.
Jason
They always have some excuse why something doesn’t do well. It’s not for me like many other people are saying the same thing. Comics didn’t sell, why would they think people would watch the show?
Jack
Maybe if Disney stopped going “woke” and making this wack ass characters the fans will love the new shows like all the prior ones. What’s next? Squirrel girl? And the main character is LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ? ENOUGH WITH THE BS
Bry
It’s not woke, it’s called representation. If you’re a cisgender, straight, white male, (I said IF) for example, you have no idea what it means to spend most of your life wondering why no one like you is visible in movies and TV. Imagine if every movie you saw was entirely made up of LGBTQ+ POC with disabilities & you couldn’t relate at all. EVER. That’s precisely how we feel. Then, when we finally get a tiny morsel of something resembling who we are, how we look, think, act & feel, we’re made to feel guilty for enjoying it. That, or it’s done horribly wrong, isn’t organic & feels forced. That just gives people more fuel for their argument that “normalizing” everyone is “woke”.
Pete
Good to see the incels out strong on this thread. This article is spot on. Ms Marvel is next up on the watch list, but it’s been competing with working through stranger things s4 and obi-wan. There’s just not enough time in the day to watch all the content, which is a good thing to have so much variety and choice. Looking forward to catching up on the new series though, Ms Marvel looks great!
Josh
Umm. I watch them both on Wednesday’s. About it being good or bad, I don’t know yet. I didn’t like WandaVision, Falcon and the Winter Solder, Moon Kinght until about halfway through the show. Nor did I dislike Hawkeye until the midway point either.
Rick
I couldn’t get through the first 5 min of bad acting and blatant anti-American. I’ve been a Marvel fan since the 70s and this whole rewrite of heroes is sad, especially to appease certain people. Heroes were start by the geeks who were picked on and couldn’t get the girl. Now because it’s gone main stream everyone wants a piece.
TC
I didn’t make it through the FIRST episode of Ms.Marvel, it was too kiddie and was telling a story I just didn’t care about. I have enjoyed Kenobi though!…Kenobi isn’t going to win any awards but the story has been fun.
Bry
Disney is adding way too many Marvel & Star Wars shows. I gave up awhile ago. If they slowed down the pace, maybe some wouldn’t be forgotten. I mean, who also doesn’t have 218 Marvel movies to catch up on? It’s a bit much.
Ray
How can you blame one show on Disney+ for the fall of another? All you have to do is watch the Star Wars section, then go watch the Marvel section. What’s causing Ms. Marvel to fail is it’s a very poorly made show, trying to hard to appeal to the younger generation, and is failing miserably with all the changes they are making from the comic. Don’t blame Star Wars.
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