I don’t want Disney to go back to the 1960s just because of its current CEO Bob Chapek. I just want a new CEO to come in who can restore the soul of the company, and find a decent balance between the best of the old AND the best of the new. Make no mistake, Bob Chapek is FAR more focussed on the bottom line than previous CEOs and his decisions have caused a lot of angst within the Disney community, but I think all Disney lovers who grew up post-Walt should be taken into account, rather than catering only to those who prefer Walt’s way of doing things.
While greed can be a powerful adversary, so can purism; because I don’t think the Walt Disney Company COULD have feasibly stuck with the same post-1966 mantra of ‘What would Walt do?’ WITHOUT going bust; nor could some of the best movies, TV shows or attractions post-1966 have EVER been made. Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin and the Lion King for example are considered the absolute peak of Disney’s animated flicks, and they were all made LONG after Walt passed away, and while Disney hasn’t handled Star Wars too well, they have at least given Marvel a memorable legacy.
I believe Disney’s best bet is to just keep electing a new CEO from the outside to keep everything fresh. I don’t believe every single one of Walt’s ideas need to be executed, nor do I believe all of his beliefs have to be religiously kept alive; all I want in this current stage is for Disney to just stay fresh, both in terms of the parks, and its media output. Disney CAN still make sequels and TV series based around the movies, just as long as they expand the stories and enrich them; that’s all that matters. As for the parks, they should bring back the perks that Chapek removed, BUT they may still pursue international expansion.
I know full well that the world has changed too much for the Walt Disney Company to feasibly stick to the mantra of ‘What would Walt do?’. I therefore believe that as long as Disney can stay creative and financially viable, while still keeping its focus on the audience wherever it can, it should still be able to prosper. They can remove Bob Chapek by all means, BUT make sure the next CEO is both creative and savvy. That is the best way the company can continue Walt’s legacy.
We may have to endure another year under Bob Chapek, but by February 2023, Disney could be on the threshold of a new beginning…….And I think we should hold out that hope. Shareholders just might give up on the current board and elect a new one, and the company might just be able to return to its former glory, or even a new golden era that pleases most customers.
And I wanna ask everyone; how good you think the next CEO will be, and if you think the next CEO can ride the fine line between appealing to as many people as possible, constantly evolving, AND being profitable, like the agenda was under Michael Eisner and Frank Wells (at least until Wells died in 1994). I’d say worst case scenario, it’s only a 50/50 chance, but please do comment below 🙂
I just hope everyone takes notice and realizes that idealism is the best way forward; the PERFECT middleground between Walt Disney’s way of doing things AND that of Iger and Chapek. We NEED a middleground rather than slipping back into EITHER extreme.
A total misrepresentation of the bill. It has nothing to do with l qt, it has everything to do with protecting very young innocent children from all forms of sexual indoctrination. Children this young do not need to innundated with sexual matters of any sort. if you feel the need to discuss sex with someone else’s 4 yrs. old,YOU are the problem!
God is involved and His opinion matters. Statistically, most of America agrees with this.
Clearly you don’t, and have set yourself up as some kind of moderator who gets to instruct the participants on whether it’s okay for them to incorporate this viewpoint. For the rest of America, we dont care that you dont have faith -we do, we live by it, and most have now decided there is no time better than now to speak up about it.
As the new moderator of this discussion, I am clearing the way for ALL POSTERS ON THIS CHAT FORUM TO SPEAK ABOUT GOD IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS DISCUSSION. Hows that? Can we give our opinions a voice now?
We are not a theocracy (religiously based government) although many Republicans are working hard to give their often hateful beliefs the force of law. You are welcome to believe in God, worship God, talk about God, and consider God when you vote, but you don’t get to tell the rest of us we have to follow your belief system. The point being made had nothing to do with God but rather with trying to suppress speech that YOU personally do not agree with.
Excuse me it is NOT about free speech. It is about people attempting to indoctrinate MY kids – they DO NOT have that rigfht. For God’s sake how can anyone think we need to be teach K through 3rd grade ANYTHING about sex. And STOP calling it Don’t say gay. I don’t want some over sexed heterosexual coming in and telling ymK-3rd grader how many ttimes he had sex over the weekend, or even about his family. With reading writing and math scores falling and China eating our lunch we should be focusing on skills not sex. And any one who thinks other has a mental deficiency or an agenda. Oh and by the way while we may not be a theocracy – we certainly WERE FOUNDED on Judaeo Chrisitan principles – do a little history study – but not from howard Zinn.
100% agree with you!! I do not understand why people want school teachers to be discussing sexual orientation with 5-8 yr olds. It is lunacy! Stop pushing wokeness on our babies and stop calling the bill “don’t say gay” it has 0% to do with that. If you want to be gay then by all means be gay but stop trying to indoctrinate my children. I will have that discussion with them when I determine the time is right.
If there was a God, I’d guess she’d have better things to do then get involved in the Reedy Creek zoning discussion.
Where was all the concern for children’s rights when parents seemed to be oblivious to their sons getting bent over by the family priest??? Was God on vacation at Universal that week (or 5 decades?
There is a God and you will meet HIM one day. Secondly – iDisney chose this war and I hope the govt uses every tool they have to shut disney’s fat trap.
Disney is being swayed by the the Woke. They scream the loudest but they are Not part of the values of mainstream Americans. Likely less than 5% could or would agree once the bill was explained to them, but that won’t happen in our hateful media!
Agree. The ones that are pushing the woke agenda are a very small section of society. As far as I’m concerned they are entitled to live their lift the way they choose but they do NOT have the right to control how the rest of society functions. Give them their place in employment opportunities but do not deny the rest of society their opportunities. This garbage of having 50% of everything allotted to 5% of the population is wrong! And STOP the garbage of mot acknowledging both their natural biological gender. I am a FEMALE, my SON is a MALE etc. I will be addressed as who and what I am and anyone that does not is discriminating against me! A I will kindly point that out. Chapek needs to go and Disney as a whole needs to take a real truthful look around and stop the destruction of the magic and the joy, it’s what the business is all about.
I say good Disney need to stay the hell
Out of politics. We love are governor and for you who don’t leave or do t come down here disney is not in control of Florida.it maybe in control of there employees but that’s about it. Plus this don’t say gay bill no where in the bill does it say anything about gay. Plus more then half of the employees are for the bill but Disney didn’t want to acknowledge them only the ones that said they where against it. Who the hell care what Disney wants it want parents want . And don’t think you are going to move down here with your liberal way and try to change things bc if you think like that then please keep your ass out for Florida
Just saying…not everyone loves the governor of this state. Just because I don’t like him doesn’t mean I need to leave Florida though. Two parties still exist here, and will continue to exist. Get over it.
Disney isn’t trying to control Florida, they’re just against the government trying to decide what the people should and should not know about. Not sure how you know what over 50% (you’re ‘more than half’) of Disney employees want. You must be magic.
Just chill out, and remember that your kind (conservatives) aren’t the only ones who live in this state. The rest of us will continue getting our word out about equality, freedom of speech,etc., and try to keep things on an even keel.
Beth, are you a Disney employee having conversations behind closed doors with other Disney employees? Are you reading the minds of Disney leadership to know exactly why they are deciding to support this bill? You seem to call out Sue’s assumptions while making plenty of your own.
And as evidenced by the statistics, more than 1/2 of FL and more the 1/2 of the US agree with the bill. A very large number of people are tired of having so-called “equality, freedom of speech,etc.,” shoved down our throats and that of our youngest children through companies just like Disney. We would love to attend an entertainment organization that makes a goal of giving kids innocence and fun, and a dreamy hope far away from the daily grind and problems they face every day. We dont want to “celebrate Gay Pride Day” with Disney or any of the other places we are being told to adopt this view, and we certainly are tired of teachers and entertainers exposing our youngest kids to it.
What we need is Disney to remain apolitical, to not support grooming and sexualizing children, and to not push agitprop in their entertainment. Seems easy enough to me.
I agree! However Disney just used their power and influence to crush our case to return to their previous accommodations for children/adults with autism. Bottom line Disney cared more about the money than about the disabled. I’m thrilled Florida’s want to help the LGBT community but we parents of the disabled could really use public outcry for Disney’s mistreatment of the disabled too!
Look, I didn’t mean expose, I meant try and rein him in from making is choice of words too threatening, saying God WOULD judge them at the end of life; that really does come across as trying to impose his will on someone else.
I hope that makes sense. I know ‘expose’ was probably the wrong word
Perhaps I missed something, but why did Desantis and his zealots think they needed to throttle “instruction about sexuality and gender”. Was it part of some curriculum somewhere?
Dang Bobby. Better put down the internet device in your hands because all the tech in there was designed out in that terrible state. Put your money where you mouth is and stop using the services and products that come from there. The rest of us will be much happier if you do.
Right stop forceing gay crap on kids .they will find out for their selves wen they hit puberty .lord then mom n or dad or dad dad or mom mom can explain their feelings n keep as family thing .n only thing people need do if their child not gay is to respect the ones that are n not bully them .
You missed everything. DeSantis and his cabinet are not zealots. The majority of Floridians and sane people, do not believe that very young children should be indoctrinated by Disney or progressive teachers . Any psychiatrist will attest that at that age they are not able to understand sexual themes or gender dysphoria. The Florida bill only requires that parents, not teachers control their children’s instruction in this sensitive area.
To Gja,
DeSantis is a great governor and some day will be our president. You think they are zealots???? Then explain why people are moving here in droves.
FYI 1. The majority of the year is sunny and warm. 2. There’s no state income tax. 3. Fantastic beaches. 4. Cultural diversity. 5. While the cost of living in Florida’s major cities, such as Miami, can be on the higher end, the majority of areas throughout the Sunshine State are very affordable compared to many other U.S. states. Etc….
There were a few parents with examples of sexualization and issues with gender identity from Florida in the press conference. This was done without telling the parents! That’s why the Parental Education Rights legislation was passed.
“why did Desantis and his zealots think they needed to throttle “instruction about sexuality and gender”. Was it part of some curriculum somewhere?” because thats what the left wants installed in schools. Break out from your Disney lalala bubble and look at whats going on in reality.
I think the Original poster has a Good Point!(like with Desantis berating school children for wearing masks, these issues don’t need to be Legislated and Promoted on a Right Wing Soap Box for Purely Political Gain), but should be addressed at the Local School District level-I know Exactly what my Son’s Curriculum was in Elementary, and this is Why we have Local Schoolboards that we Elect at the Local Level(and hence No Need to Legislate at the State level and insert a Political Agenda into our Local Schools…Period)!!!
Children need to be children. Sexuality and gender instruction does not need to be introduced at such an early age. Let them be. There is enough in this world to confuse themes it is. It is a parent’s job to educate their child on these matters. Not Disney, not teachers, not Hollywood.
Hi Remy. Great question. I hope you receive an accurate response; I’d love to read it. I’m in my 40s. I was taught sex education in 3rd grade. It was a great age. It didn’t include sexual orientation at that time; they assumed a man with a woman. I’m glad I received that education so early. It made me very aware of my body and able to make educated decisions to abstain through school. I wonder if people think that educating children about sex and sex orientation will somehow make them sexually active before they would have been or encourage them to experiment early or other reasons. That wasn’t my experience so it will depend on the child.
Yes but 3rd grade was not 5 6 or 7 I remember my 5 year old daughter saying she wanted to be a boy so she could play football with her older brother. We never once thought “oh does she really want to be a boy” She is now 35 married with children and appears to be very happy as a women. I just think 5 6 or 7 is to young to expose children to adult gender or sex decisions
No one was or is teaching explicit sexual content to young children which is what the proponents of this law have claimed. As the law stands, it is designed to erase the existence of a whole group of people, shame children who live with two same sex parents, and silence teachers who are now afraid to allow a child to talk about their two mommies in class in the same way other kids are allowed to talk about their mothers and fathers.
God is involved and His opinion matters. Statistically, most of America agrees with this.
Clearly you don’t, and have set yourself up as some kind of moderator who gets to instruct the participants on whether it’s okay for them to incorporate this viewpoint. For the rest of America, we dont care that you dont have faith -we do, we live by it, and most have now decided there is no time better than now to speak up about it.
As the new moderator of this discussion, I am clearing the way for ALL POSTERS ON THIS CHAT FORUM TO SPEAK ABOUT GOD IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS DISCUSSION. Hows that? Can we give our opinions a voice now?
Only a fool believes in a Sky Daddy that hates all the same people he does…I’ll bet you think he’s a big white guy in the clouds, with a beard to rival Poseidon’s. Amirite? How gullible can you be?
Unlike you, my view of God did not remain the visions of a cartoon artist on an old black and white TV. I learned and grew, and I (along with the vast majority of Americans) believe there is a real God with a very real love for kids, including all of those in a school system where the WD company wants to ensure they are indoctrinated on everything oposite of what they should be learning.
I just wish Disney would go back to being Disney. Instead of constantly tossing the LGBTQ movement down our throats. My family and I do not care, nor do we want to be made aware of what other people do with their lives. Just give us the magic we paid for and leave the rainbows out of it. Thank you.
Darth, your anger and bigotry is offensive to more than 1/2 of the country. I dont know anything at all about the park you are referring to. Our feelings are not hurt because you decided to pipe in to a much larger discussion about the nature of childrens entertainment, the future of FL, and how we proceed as a nation in light of having the views and lifestyle choices of a tiny percentage of our country jammed down our throats with the hope that we choke on it. The Disney company has made a choice that is likely to have incredibly negative repercussions for years to come. If only the consequences remained within the borders of the park, I and most of America would simply stay away. Unfortunately, Disney has now picked an ideological fight with a vast sea of people who believe in God, traditional family values, and an education system moving in the direction of supporting that. Your crack at “Johnny” shows your incredible hard-hearted views and a tremendous bias against truths many Americans hold dear. Its a shame really.
Actually I would be happy to go back to Walt’s way – what was wrong with that. This company was designed for children not for some 20 and up people who can’t get over their selfishness. And please stop blaming only chapek – this crap started under Iger. Its been heading down this woke, immoral path for a long time. Yes I said immoral. and meant it.
HERE is an opportunity for Disney to really reflect how most of us in this increasingly pluralistic diverse society look like. Please do not go back to the 50s or to follow the repressive nonsense of DeSantis. The FL Gov. is shooting himself in the foot in his ambition to out trump Trump.
Though it would likely not happen, would DeSantis like it better if Disney just left the state or down sized its Florida presence?
The legislation prohibits any instruction about sexuality or gender between kindergarten and third grade, or in a manner that is not age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards.”
This bill is about K through third This bill is about K through third grade. Let me repeat: K through third—children ages 5, 6 and 7,” he said. “Disney’s position is that these children need lessons about transgenderism and sexual orientation. If you need me to explain why that’s wrong, it’s a waste of my time, because it’s so self-evident.”. Let me repeat: K through third—children ages 5, 6 and 7,” he said. “Disney’s position is that these children need lessons about transgenderism and sexual orientation. If you need me to explain why that’s wrong, it’s a waste of my time, because it’s so self-evident.”
I could be wrong, but it sounds like Disney just wants to include children of all orientations, as they did with minorities. I don’t believe they intend to “instruct” them on the actual acts or specifics about their lifestyles. Its your job as a parent to monitor what YOUR child watches and to teach them YOUR values. And like Frank said, if you read it again, it says it includes what is deemed age appropriate. It doesn’t stop at primary grades. And who should consider what is appropriate for their child to watch? Individual parents. It’s not the government’s place to legislate morality. Remember how well prohibition worked out.
They’re trying to normalize it to children who shouldn’t even be thinking of whether or not they want to change their identity… their gender! They shouldn’t be trying to sway the minds of kids that otherwise wouldn’t even be thinking about it.
So you want children who may have gender concerns about themselves to be shamed and silenced? To be shunned just because they don’t fit in the box you have constructed for them? You want to tell them they are not normal? Because let me give you a bulletin. Your attitude is why gay and trans kids have such a high rate of suicide. Also little kids are being made aware of this issue because YOU are making such a tremendous fuss. Otherwise, they would just be accepting that their friend Jane has two daddies and she likes the same ice cream flavor they do, giving each equal weight in their young minds. No fuss, and living as Jesus told us, to love our neighbors as ourselves. No exceptions were included.
Oh spare me. What child at that age is thinking of sex – they don’t even have sexual hormones that are active – and you would push to allow them to mutilatetheir bodies. This is a sexual malfunction not a mistake in the biological process. Its called Gender dysphoria – stop spreading your bullcrap.
I agree with you Walt, at that young age children do not need to know this stuff. Let them enjoy their innocence and grow up, there is plenty of time in their teens to learn about the birds and Bees and all the in between.
Hmmm. Im not quite sure what you mean. I see a tremendous number of people protesting the bill, but then saying no teachers are teaching young kids about sex, LGBTQIA+ issues, and gender changes. I’m wondering why those people are protesting the bill if they are at the same time saying no one is doing it. It would be one thing if thier messaging stated that it was simply a non-issue and waste of time for legislators to spend time on it, since no one is teaching it. But instead they are attacking the bill and the FL statehouse angrily. Why would they if they truly believed no one would ever teach this now or in the future?
Exactly, deb. This bill is so needed to ensure kids are taught truth and school basics, not sex and gender issues. And someone tell me which 5-8 year old would be thinking or talking about ANY of this if adults or older kids were not engaging them in discussion on it.
My only comment is that many children in that age group have two mommy’s other two daddies. These kids need help because they are already probably being degraded. I don’t know and I don’t have the answer. Somewhere their will be a price to paid and hopefully it’s not in a suicide.
They are not degraded u less it’s by those taught to be unkind. Those taught there’s something wrong with these kids and families. Kids don’t care! It’s evident from this thread it is only the adults who either for religious reasons or their beliefs who care. YOU are putting it on the kids if you are judging. God will judge for me. Kids tho k they can walk on the picket fence till an adult says they can’t. Kids are not born feeling uncomfortable with diff races, or any diff beliefs, ADULTS TEACH THEM. I just believe In to each his own. And if something doesn’t effect my kids or me, let all live in peace. I think I finally figured out Where have All the flowers gone. What happened to us. That is all. Peace
So if your child comes home from school one day and says “daddy I want to become a girl. I dont feel like a boy anymore” you wouldnt think anything of it?
It may not be the ideal situation for most, but you accept your children as they are. Children know from an early age if they are attracted to the opposite sex or not. No, they don’t know about sex and should not, but they feel an attraction. They also need to feel safe and accepted in their family life. They can not do this if their neighbors tell them that their family is wrong or bad because it does not fit the lifestyle of the neighbor.
Parenting 101 says you do your job and guide your own 5 year old through the challenges they feel when they dont know how to feel. Dont coddle your elementary schooler and just say, “oh its okay to feel however you feel, and you should be safe in your space to feel it. ” God forbid they come home and say they want to kill classmates. What then? Listen to your young kids to understand why they feel as they do, then help them away from it. Sometimes you tell them “NO”. Thats called PARENTING.
If this is so natural why would it lead to suicide if not discussed with the children in these classes. Preventing suicide is very important and should not be ignored but you are comparing apples to oranges. The parents no matter what gender are responsible to help their child understand their choices that is all everyone does not need to be involved.
Disney is going to lose Big Time. Their family focus is lost to Disney. Their woke sexual deviant ideology is wrong to 90% of normal families. They’re cowering to 10% of the deviant communities. They’re gonna lose big time !
Yes, Disney has gone overboard. There is no need to shove this on little kids. Lgbqt has their opinion, and nobody else matters. Even though they are a minority that has confused 1000s of kids in their identity. They’re not cool unless they go along with all their warped values.
I don’t like Disney, and I never have. But let’s be frank – Florida needs Disney a LOT more than Disney needs Florida. This is not a battle DeSantis, Baxley, or Sabatini can possibly win.
Disney has unlimited funds to throw at their opponents…plus if they want to they can make some Star Wars and Marvel Universe villains that are clearly patterned after these clowns.
And let’s be clear: this legislation has one purpose: to stir up hatred against a community that has already faced public hatred and animosity forever. It was only 5 years ago right here in Orlando that 49 people were killed and 53 wounded at Pulse…
As many have pointed out, there is no curriculum here to fight…no “grooming.” Just book banning by the American Taliban.
Wait, Darth…[insert pondering look, similar to Rodan’s Thinker]…so you are saying when I express MY opinion, maybe people should be okay accepting it as an OPINION and not the views of the Taliban? Another dang hypocrite.
Here’s a Sarcasm ProTip, John: If you have to ask, or write SARCASM in all caps, you’re not using it properly. Try a statement that no one could ever find believable. Example: “Gee, John…your super-creepy religious intolerance and slavish devotion to Ron DeSantis must make you VERY popular with the ladies!”
Pretty sure we will find out. If anyone thinks Disney property brought down to dirt is suddenly not sellable you might want to rethink that one. All property in Floriday is worth more than Disney.
Perhaps I missed something, but why did Desantis and his zealots think they needed to throttle “instruction about sexuality and gender”. Was it part of some curriculum somewhere?
Thank you!someone kindly tell us all where that is being taught. It’s hard enough for kids and teens without this insanity. Sorry if I offend anyone but I’ve known several gay couples who are wonderful parents with perfectly normal kids In fact monogamy with gay couples seems stronger than heterosexual couples. Disney is make believe for kids and adults.
Leave it alone. Been here since before Disney. They give tons and tons of money to charities and do good things in our communities. EVERY AMERICAN has a right to their happiness! Frankly we should be paying CLISE attention to pitic players and VOTE out the old guy relics Mostly white male anx rich. Let’s focus on why they can have vasectomies done they can play around and still try to dictate to women what they can do with their bodies. S
Not seeing the hypocrisy anyone. ???!? Unless you are the creator or whatever er. Eli RC you have/Ed are NOT the Judge. So tell us please where is this being taught? I will not condone laws that make the lady 50 years continue yr to backwards 50 years ago we were a kinder and much better America. We should be quite the mind advanced society but we are not. That is due to politicians snd those who give them money to back their desires of society. It’s quite maddening if one looks at it all intelligently. This is MIT the best we can be. And it’s dad to me for my kids and grandkids. Who don’t care if their friends have Mom and dad, 2 mommies, 2 daddies, one mommy, one daddy, one or 2 grandmas, aunts or uncles .. it is 2022 people. Lots of Folks just seem ok with going backwards. We are the HOVERI G power people/well let’s put it this way, the politicians, E ETYO E of them, are supposed to be doing business if the people. If you’re good with how they’re doing it maybe we come visit in Never Never land sometime. Oh wait/that’s Disney! See you there. Peace and blessings to all
Yes it was you might want to see some of the Children’s books offered and the discussion work ups before you think these are just zealots 56% zealots make you 44% uninvolved.
I just wish our fine governor would threaten the company that’s bigger than Disney and has caused alot of hardship and turmoil for the hard working voters of northwest Florida. Sadly he either forgot about us, or is straight up ignoring our pleas for help with this greedy unethical power company! Fpl makes Disney look like a peon. Is our beloved governor scared of fpl? No, probably more like birds of a feather…… Anyway that’s the battle I’d pay good money to see. I wonder who would win that fight. Hmmm, sadly we won’t get to find out because our governor has chosen to ignore the hard working citizens being bullied by fpl. Instead he chooses the easy battle that don’t even affect us, I mean he already won that battle anyway so move on to the next big opponent that’s really hurting us,. We can boycott Disney if we don’t like their policies but “WE NEED the GOVERNORS HELP HERE IN NORTHWEST FLORIDA! We need him to rein in fpl cause they hurting his voters up here. Where are you governor? Make a stand against fpl for us! We need you! We at least want to know where you stand on the issue. Nevermind, your silence speaks loud and clear on where you stand.. smh,
I can’t believe there’s been hardly any help in devesysted panhandle! Oh but if it was Tallahassee or that resort area down south it’d be rebuilt and folks would have help! God bless you. It’s terrible
What kind of a governor says bad things are going to happen? Disney has been doing just great b4 Desantis and will continue after Desantis. You talk about a bully in the bunch, Desantis certainly holds that title.
Funny, Ruth, it seems those of us on the “lets teach our youngest kids school subjects instead of sex and gender issues” (well over 1/2 of the country) feel that Disney is the bully in this case and failing it’s primary purpose of being all about clean and wholesome entertainment for children, and DeSantis the great protector of children and family. No chance you are an empathetic individual who can see the view from the other side?
If you think trying to sway the minds of our babies is right, then there’s no helping you. Plus, this may be one example of the right trying to intimidate to get their way, but the left is definitely winning that race…. at least this is to keep our kids safe from manipulation.
DeSantis and all these hateful, hypocritical, far-right politicians are ruining Florida. I love how they all claim the cancel culture is wrong yet its ok when they do it. It’s ok for them to push their agendas and views but when others do it it’s wrong? I can’t stand hypocrisy and the GQP as a whole are the best at it..Please vote them all out to save Florida
Don’t place too much emphasis on any poll or survey. They’re hoping that you will believe what they state without giving it any thought. “More Than 52% of Florida Democrats Support Bill Limiting LGBTQ Discussion in School.” You can make it look the way you want. I’m sure you already know this. It appears that the SAMPLE SIZE is 701. 12% were unsure; 32% definitely no; 20% somewhat no (whatever that means); 36% somewhat yes + definitely yes. It doesn’t necessarily speak to the 5M+ democrats in FL. Have a beautiful day.
You will never reach the moral pinnacle unless you vote out those republican you will never be New York, LA, or Chicago not that is morality. You keep working on that you can ruin another state in no time.
Why should a corporate Company have that much sway in opinions. Everyone pays taxes, most likely many more dollars than Disney pay. So everyone should have a fair say.
I would add Disney need Florida more than Florida needs them.
Move Disney to Alaska I am sure they will do just as well. So Disney is doing you the favor to have their business in a beautiful state that people love to visit. Now I get it.
Agreed completely. As to the previous comment, I’m a Floridian NOT in favor of DeSantis and this bill. I know many others against it. I believe it’s supported by a vocal minority, certainly not a majority of Floridians.
Repeal Disney’s Reedy Creek self government ability. Tax in the same manner as every other business in that area and enforce the laws of the county through the county police.
I see Chapek ruining Disney on purpose to lower the stocks and then create a scenario where he can sell out and have another group take over more than likely a foreign group. Seen it happen before with other companies.
How is De Santis going to explain “the living hell” that the Florida economy will go through if Disney packs up and leaves the State! How will taxpayers react to higher sales tax that will result to make up for the shortfall. I believe children should have a choice of expressing their sexual orientation and it is not the business of State Government to force educators to deny reality to children who are inquisitive.
5to7 year old children are very impressionable. Let parents make these decisions, not teachers. There is one teacher on line who is crying that she cannot talk to her first grade students about her relationship with her same sex partner. I don’t care if it is her opposite sex partner, teachers don’t cross personal line with students
Richard Really, let young children with their innocence grow up, there is plenty of time in their teens to learn about such issues.
Disney is not the be all and end all of Florida. These days Disney is so corrupt and not a good example to anyone. There is plenty of choice in Florida besides.
I’m not sure under which definition you would label Walt such a liberal.
We know he was anti-union and railed against his employees trying to unionize for fair pay and called them communists. He was not a communist sympathizer, so what definition of liberal would you apply to him?
Personally I think,as usual,that DeSantis doesn’t have his priorities straight. What he should be focused on right now is people struggling to even survive with inflation and gas prices. Withholding funds allotted by the US Govt to help people in Florida should be illegal. DeSantis is power-hungry and financially greedy. Who cares about what DISNEY is doing or not doing when people who cant afford such luxuries as going to disney are struggling just to put food on their tables,pay their rent or mortgage,pay for prescriptions,pay their electric bill,or put gas in their car . I will be so glad when he can be voted out of office.
Only homophobia explains the reason for this bill existence. Science about biological, genetic, and hormonal sex and gender regarding every other species on this planet is considered legitimate. But God forbid (lol) we address and SAY it when it comes to human beings. To cover everyone’s eyes and avoid teaching our children about reality is a disservice to the entire planet. Do you know there are cultures that honor people with both masculine and feminine “souls” and those people are treated as leaders and appreciated for their unique and valuable knowledge and experiences? Why do Americans feel so superior and self righteous to condemn and ostracize people who don’t fall into cookie cutter gender norms? Why is Ron Desantis so concerned about what other people pee out of and have sex with? Does he know white men are the number one culprits of committing sex crimes? This is the most backwards bs in history.
Thank you for your comments, Anne. I’m sure some will comment that you should leave Florida if you don’t agree with DeSantis but that doesn’t make much sense does it? I wish DeSantis was more concerned about ALL Florida residents than GRANDSTANDING to try to show he has some power or great influence. I’m not struggling to survive but still sympathize with those who do. There are some citizens who believe the government should not assist people in need and state that it falls on the citizens but those same citizens don’t help in any way. I try to assist with my time and resources and hope that anyone who positively or negatively responds to your comment will do so too. Have a beautiful day!
I fully join those who detest this new law and its not-secret anti-LGBTQ agenda. This, the completely misvoncdived anti-CRT movement, and fascist Gov. DeSantis’ wrongful invocation of “woke” threaten the anti-liberty regime in FL that Trump and is followers would impose on the Nation.
Moreover, basic principles of 5th abd 14th Amendments “due process of law” rightly forbid retaliatory governmental actions against persons, corporations included, for exercising free speech rights. DeSantis’ abd other officials’ comments make it clear that FL’s primary, overwhelming motive is to punish Disney for publicly disagreeing with proposed policy and enacted law.
I believe that Disney is correct and standing up for everyone’s best interests not secluding anyone. Isn’t that what our Country supposed to be all about?
I do not believe that this Bill should never even be a thing. Why are these words taboo? The more you hide away things, hide them, make them a mystery the more curiosity your going to bring to it.
If we were all raised learning of new things in life as just something new, and not make a huge deal. Maybe our children could grow up learning acceptance for all humans regardless of sex, race, origin or sexuality.
Everyone bleeds the same!
peterparker
Acceptance is not the same as “adoptance”. You can do what you want, but when you attempt to force me to go along with your agenda and even cheer it, thats where it becomes a huge huge problem.
I believe that Disney is correct and standing up for everyone’s best interests not secluding anyone. Isn’t that what our Country supposed to be all about?
I do not believe that this Bill should never even be a thing. Why are these words taboo? The more you hide away things, make them a mystery the more curiosity your going to bring to it.
If we were all raised learning of new things in life as just something new, and not making a huge deal of it. Maybe our children could grow up learning acceptance for all humans regardless of gender, race, origin or sexuality.
Everyone bleeds the same color!
Acceptance is not the same as “adoptance”. You can do what you want, but when you attempt to force me to go along with your agenda and even cheer it, thats where it becomes a huge huge problem.
Danielle do you even know what the bill is even about? No where in the bill does it talk about “Don’t say gay”
The bill is merely to give parents a say in what is taught about sex to their children.
I want Disney to go back to Magic I went there yearly to get away from politics to just go into mindless fun and happiness no left no right no liberal no conservative it was all as one in the moment of seeing kids being happy living memories through seeing another child having the same reaction as my now teen when they see pirates or fairies. Now its all left leaning and the magic is destroyed with high prices less quality everything rides that barly work if you go a day with out seeing a fight you re lucky. :/ people are now angry and entitled
The care free disney is now gone forever with the lgbtqlmnop or whatever it is called now. I honestly didn’t mind pride week there i didn’t mind dance week i didn’t mind marathon week cause we were all there as one and happy. Now you have to throw politics in it. The magic is gone forever.
Come on people because of the less than 5% the 95% have to suffer. Really no more ladies and gentlemen no more princess allowed to be said. What the hell is wrong with Disney. I for one am done with Disney until this Woke CEO is gone and Disney comes to their senses. Stay out of politics and get back to what made you in the first place.
WHY do those that write about this situation continue to call it the “Don’t Say Gay” bill instead of what it is actually called “Parental Rights in Education” bill? Continuing to call it what “they” call it is keeping the narrative going. STOP IT!
I think Disney should stay OUT of politics!!!! Get back to being a theme park for kids a magical place for families to make memories. It supposed to be the happiest place on earth but wow has all that changed. Come on Disney YOU CAN DO BETTER….
All companies should stay out of politics. I don’t really care what my cell phone carrier, car manufacturer or cat food maker have to say on anything. Just make good quality products or services, let me buy it and just shut up.
TOTALLY completely agree, stephen. I dont need or want to hear the political or personal views of the vendors that I buy products and services from. If they insist on having my ear on these issues, I’ll take my business to someone who is willing to serve without the soapbox.
Good luck with that. Disney is not going to move their parks anywhere. Especially not someplace that they will have to shut down said parks for 6 months out of the year. Not too mention it will take a decade or more to get new parks up and running to the level they are at in Florida. Face it, Disney finally bit off more than it can chew this time.
Right? Would love to see them abandon that ship and let all the woke, radical, right wingers enjoy themselves. Disney is the largest taxpayer in Orange County and the largest employer in Orange County.
Ugh, just teach your freakin children not to be bigoted against any other child because they happen to be different, and all this nonsense will not matter as they grow. Whatever your stance is on this bill, just REALLY starts with YOU, at home! Let’s move on from this and learn to be listeners instead of auto-triggered bickerers. Your children will thank you for it when they grow up to be GOOD adults. 👍
Meanwhile, woke, hypocritical Disney is expanding its operations by offering Disney+ in AT LEAST 10 explicitly anti-gay countries/regions. These are: Algeria, Egypt, Libya, Morocco, Oman, Qatar, Saudia Arabia, Tunisia, Yemen, and the region of Palestine. Please look up how gay/transgender people are treated in these countries. Funny how Disney can make a false stand and virtue signal against a completely mis-labled Florida bill but it’s business as usual when they want to expand their streaming service to carve out more of a piece of that revenue.
It’s about the parents and what they want their children to be taught or exposed to… It’s not the schools decision. If you haven’t seen the drag queen doing story time with children in this age group that they are talking about then your head is in the sand. Disney should have stayed in their lane instead of listening to the minority
If the liberals running Disney hates the Parental Rights in Education bill and Ron Desantis so much while wanting Disney World to be its own government they should try to secede from Florida and become its own state.
The incredible racism and Homophobia is as thick as fleas on a dog in Floriduh and was the biggest reason I left that backward state in the 70s. Now they want to punish anyone or Company that thinks inclusiveness is wrong. Giving these powers to these people is only going down the rabbit hole to doom.
The whole bill was a waste of time because no one was teaching K-3 anything about homo/trans sexuals anyway. All it is a scam by conservatives to stoke up anger and outrage with it’s base.
Because they don’t like Disney’s criticism , they’re threatening the company? If you don’t give us money, we’re going to destroy you?
In our county we had to show in our lesson plans that we were teaching our small children this. Are you a teacher? Maybe in your county that’s not the case but we actually had to have a protest to get rid of teaching that despicable curriculum
Give us money? What are you talking about? The statements of support for the bill and the FL statehouse have all been clear, and none have anything to do with money: support family values, teach truth and real legitimate school subjects to young kids, and stop shoving your ideology down our throats to force us to celebrate, support, and give obeisance to people making horrible choices for thier lives and trying to get the very youngest to join them.
Look up “disney political donations florida” and you will see that they gave the candidates there almost $5m during the 2020 election cycle. I think the only people that love money more than Disney are politicians.
Disney needs to stop and look at who the majority of their base is. Most people don’t believe children should be subjected to this community thought process, it’s hard enough being a child & parent in this day and age without the added influence surrounding them daily. Making these choices for us, fit our kids is simply wrong and I believe in this legislation, I wish it went further than 3rd grade. Public schools, schools in general should not be teaching or explaining or focusing on anything else but pure education. That’s what their parents are for. High school kids can start to choose in their own ways, join their own clubs and college is truly the place for kids to explore who “They” are. I’m tired of seeing this culture being forced down our throats, constantly. I don’t exploit my sexual orientation or who I choose to be. Why can’t our private lives stay – private and our children left alone to truly be just kids! This whole ideology is actually quite sickening. I’ve taught early childhood education, they don’t need to be anymore confused than this whole world & its craziness already makes them – outside noise. Let them choose when they’re actually old enough to. When they truly understand their choices and are mature enough to handle that choice. Children go through multiple stages and labeling at any age before they’re brains are fully developed is wrong. Suggestive characters in movies that are rated G – is wrong! Disney, please don’t succumb to this thinking.
Disney – please find your moral compass. There is definitely a way to find inclusion – but NOT with our young children. They don’t even need to understand what LGBTQ…..ect is until Later when they’re on their way to adulthood and need that acceptance in finding their way. Unless, they’re parents decide to do so b/c maybe their family dynamics are different. Still, that’s up to their parents. Stop the labels……and I might add – please stop allowing cast members with full beards, wearing lipstick & a dress in your dining halls from doing so! You want to talk about confusion!!!!! If they want to dress like a girl – they need to try to look like one! Not full beard, lipstick and a dress as a hostess in your dining. If a man or woman works in the parks & they’re choosing to look like the other – you need a definition of what that dress code looks like. I don’t care, but, a full beard wearing a dress…..cmon!
Please let’s get back to some kind of unilateral dress code & some normalcy. This other conversation is really meant for private lives – not a debate about ES teachings or any other public format! Why would you even take this stance?
Coming from A very loyal Disney fan that owns a piece of the magic that’s being tarnished and faded by a group that needs stop! Enough is enough! If you want acceptance, have some acceptance that some things in life, simply need to be left alone. Innocence of our children, need to be just that, innocence. Let kids be kids, parents, be parents. Of a child has feelings, their are ways he/she can go about getting guidance outside of family, if need be.
Ok, but many many parents are either too “busy” to discuss sex, too uncomfortable, or in denial that their child is even at an age to think about sex. So yeah, kinda need an impartial middle ground to help these kids understand the possible outcome of having sex. Or maybe you like seeing a hardly teenaged could with a baby and having the their opportunity to grow up because they didn’t really understand the severity of having their own child?
My hard-working loving conservative Christian parents very discretely discussed the nature of sex with me at a time they felt was appropriate, and long after I came through elementary school. Do I find myself confused or scarred and with babies having been produced far too early in my life because sex was not discussed at elementary ages? No. I lived my childhood with fun, innocence and a sense of personal responsibility, all helped along by loving parents. Im not bragging — I’m blessed to be a classic case of the right discussion at the right age, and I would compare my experience to what you are proposing and drop the mic. There is no comparison to loving parents (I believe a married mom and a dad in a loving relationship helps tremendously here) teaching these issues personally and in an age-appropriate manner. I’m doing the same with my kids, and they smile and laugh and learn and enjoy life with no confusion at all about whether they were made by a loving God, or what gender they are, or what gender they should choose to love and marry and start a family with. That is my choice to teach them that way, and I dont intend for a school teacher or Disney or a government or a person on the street to teach them any differently. They will grow up happy, avoiding many big mistakes in life because of the way my wife and I have taught them.
Disney and Judge Anne Conway destroyed any chance of people with autism enjoying Disney parks. Parents of children with autism fought for years to have Disney go back to their original accommodations for people with autism but Disney got Judge Anne Conway, who has the worse track record against the disabled ,to rule against us. Disney didnt want to help us because they were only concerned about profits not the disabled.Disney is too powerful. They have influenced judges and politicians in the state of Florida. This needs to stop!
I thought this was about Disney’s political influence in Florida and the Don’t Say Gay law.
My concern with the law is for the children whose parents are gay. Now these kids will think that something is wrong with their family. I expect no one is going to speak about sexual practices to children.
The Florida government might want to take a step back from giving Disney ultimatums. They could pack up their theme parks and their annual multi million dollar industry.
Good luck with that. Disney is not going to move their parks anywhere. For one thing there are only a very limited amount of places they could possibly move to. They will not move someplace closer to DisneyLand on the West Coast and they can’t move to a northern state where they will have to shut down said parks for 6 months out of the year because of the winter season. Not too mention it will take a decade or more to get new parks up and running to the level they are at in Florida. Face it, Disney finally bit off more than it can chew this time. I also suggest you actually educate yourself and read the “Parental Rights in Education” Bill before you call it the wrongly inflamatory misnamed “Don’t Say Gay” Bill and jump to conclusions about what its going to do or not do.
Zero is zero, actually less than zero, chance of Disney shutting down the parks in Orlando. The have had the most profitable quarter ever for the parks division for the last two quarters running and I bet it happens again. Disney may be lot of things but above all they are lovers of money and people keep showing up at WDW to give them more.
Wow, I dont know where you think I was..I have 3 very young kids and was shouting out loud that anyone who would abuse kids the way some have and those who allowed it to be covered up should not just have a law written, they should be thrown in jail for a very long time, or worse! (Do you hear that, miss SCOTUS nominee???) Can I be any more clear? Help me be more clear if you can. Everyone in my very large God-centered circle of friends felt exactly the same way. Check your own bias at the door please. Oh yeah, and while you are at it, how about I teach my o w n kids abo gender and sex, not you, a teacher, or the gay pride parade at WDW, Mmmkay???
Talk about sex in any form with my 7year old granddaughter and see what happens when I find out. Now should the person being an employee of a school district make my reaction any different? Now, as for Disney, they should have never been given special privileges. I think it’s time Disney Corp. was taught a few hard lessons about treating ALL people fairly and equally. It’s also time to stop letting people with money run this country, since the majority of the people don’t have all the money. Remember when majority ruled ?
Me. I do. [Raising hand and waving wildly from the back] I love the bill and the electorate currently in office. I hope the many many others who support it and them will be willing to have the courage to stand up strong in the face of the anti-family, bigotted, onlslaught.
This ridiculous it is very ignorant for teachers to quit over this issue. We are talking about children in Kindergarten through 3rd grade. If one has children of their own they should understand. No matter how old a child is it is the PARENTS responsibility to teach their children about sex. No Matt what their child’s age or sexual orientation. Schools need to focus on reading, arithmetic and science. Thank God Florida has a governor with common sense. Disney is ridiculous and verified not plan on taking my kids and grandkids there anytime soon. Get a grip.
Enough with the politicization of Disney. It’s an ENTERTAINMENT company, not a political party. They need to be under Florida’s government. They’re not an independent state. Let them see how other towns cope with laws. Or close down and go back to California.
We have the best governor in the country here in Florida. Disney has overreached for far too long into areas that are none of their business–government legislation and parental rights. They are using techniques of indoctrination incorporated into their products/productions. They are anti-traditional family and anti-Christian, and they need to be cut down.
Has anyone listened to parents who have children and how they feel?
Does DeSantis and his followers know that not every child has a mom and dad.
Mom and dad
Just mom
Just dad
Mom and mom
Dad and dad
Born male is now female with same or different
Born female is now male with same or different
All colors all sexes
We are all human. We all love. We love our children and they love us as we are. Yes even 5 -12 year olds know that their humans love each other and that’s a beautiful thing. Children need that, need stable loving humans, that helps them become loving people. They don’t know the mechanics that’s a totally diferent thing and they should be kept innocent until nearing puberty, and getting “the talk” from their parents.
This discussion is not about “the talk”. It’s about my two moms, my two dads, etc.
Exactly what do you think that is, “my two moms”, “my two dads”? It is specifically a discussion of sex, of worldview, and of who we are all ultimately responsible to about the decisions we make in our lives. Someone *made* us the way we are. Our genes tell that story. He set up a family in a specific way. I plan to teach my kids that way, not your way. Will I teach them to poke fun? Never. Will I teach them to admire and respect those choices, or adopt them as thier own? Never. Walt Disney World and the school system are trying to take that decision for how to parent my kids away from me, and use a modern societal view (literally, historically, developed within the last 7 years out of thousands and thousands of years or so and touted as an evolved society) to try and whip me and my family into submission.
I reject your worldview, and will happily turn my back on the not-so-common sense you propose. I will be teaching a set of well-rounded, well-developed kids about God, the Bible, personal responsibility, and very clear differences between right and wrong. I’m sure you, Disney, and the school board disagree, and it does not matter to me at all.
Chapek’s misstep could be very serious for Disney in Florida and seriously damage their autonomy for many years to come . If the Florida legislature uses the nuclear option to “kneecap” Disney by repealing 1967 Reedy Creek Improvement Act–and I hope it does– they will only have themselves to blame. I was perfectly happy to go to WDW knowing that there are a lot of people there that I don’t agree with on moral issues and lifestyles. I can respect those choices even if I don’t agree with them and all of us can still have a great time. But Disney has crossed a line over the last few weeks. I had already planned a June WDW vacation and if I were to cancel now I’d end up with a several hundred dollars in gift card refunds that I wouldn’t want to use so after this vacation we will be traveling elsewhere for vacation until Disney drops it’s political activism on sexualizing children. This was a blunder of epic proportions by both Chapek and Iger. It was possible to co-exist within Disney prior to this but that is no longer the case for me and my family.
Comments for Florida Gov. Threatens Disney With a “Living Hell, Really Bad Things Are Going to Happen”
Matthew Muir
Before ANYONE comments, I want them to see this:
I don’t want Disney to go back to the 1960s just because of its current CEO Bob Chapek. I just want a new CEO to come in who can restore the soul of the company, and find a decent balance between the best of the old AND the best of the new. Make no mistake, Bob Chapek is FAR more focussed on the bottom line than previous CEOs and his decisions have caused a lot of angst within the Disney community, but I think all Disney lovers who grew up post-Walt should be taken into account, rather than catering only to those who prefer Walt’s way of doing things.
While greed can be a powerful adversary, so can purism; because I don’t think the Walt Disney Company COULD have feasibly stuck with the same post-1966 mantra of ‘What would Walt do?’ WITHOUT going bust; nor could some of the best movies, TV shows or attractions post-1966 have EVER been made. Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin and the Lion King for example are considered the absolute peak of Disney’s animated flicks, and they were all made LONG after Walt passed away, and while Disney hasn’t handled Star Wars too well, they have at least given Marvel a memorable legacy.
I believe Disney’s best bet is to just keep electing a new CEO from the outside to keep everything fresh. I don’t believe every single one of Walt’s ideas need to be executed, nor do I believe all of his beliefs have to be religiously kept alive; all I want in this current stage is for Disney to just stay fresh, both in terms of the parks, and its media output. Disney CAN still make sequels and TV series based around the movies, just as long as they expand the stories and enrich them; that’s all that matters. As for the parks, they should bring back the perks that Chapek removed, BUT they may still pursue international expansion.
I know full well that the world has changed too much for the Walt Disney Company to feasibly stick to the mantra of ‘What would Walt do?’. I therefore believe that as long as Disney can stay creative and financially viable, while still keeping its focus on the audience wherever it can, it should still be able to prosper. They can remove Bob Chapek by all means, BUT make sure the next CEO is both creative and savvy. That is the best way the company can continue Walt’s legacy.
We may have to endure another year under Bob Chapek, but by February 2023, Disney could be on the threshold of a new beginning…….And I think we should hold out that hope. Shareholders just might give up on the current board and elect a new one, and the company might just be able to return to its former glory, or even a new golden era that pleases most customers.
And I wanna ask everyone; how good you think the next CEO will be, and if you think the next CEO can ride the fine line between appealing to as many people as possible, constantly evolving, AND being profitable, like the agenda was under Michael Eisner and Frank Wells (at least until Wells died in 1994). I’d say worst case scenario, it’s only a 50/50 chance, but please do comment below 🙂
Matthew Muir
I just hope everyone takes notice and realizes that idealism is the best way forward; the PERFECT middleground between Walt Disney’s way of doing things AND that of Iger and Chapek. We NEED a middleground rather than slipping back into EITHER extreme.
John Wright
If Disney is going to fight against legislation that s majority of Floridians support them they’ll face to consequences.
elizabeth judd
Are you talking about socialist majority or democracy majority.
Walt
What does that mean? And by the way we are not a democracy….we are a republic
Bob Travis
A total misrepresentation of the bill. It has nothing to do with l qt, it has everything to do with protecting very young innocent children from all forms of sexual indoctrination. Children this young do not need to innundated with sexual matters of any sort. if you feel the need to discuss sex with someone else’s 4 yrs. old,YOU are the problem!
David
They should face consequences because freedom of speech only applies when you agree with what they are saying, right?
John
God is involved and His opinion matters. Statistically, most of America agrees with this.
Clearly you don’t, and have set yourself up as some kind of moderator who gets to instruct the participants on whether it’s okay for them to incorporate this viewpoint. For the rest of America, we dont care that you dont have faith -we do, we live by it, and most have now decided there is no time better than now to speak up about it.
As the new moderator of this discussion, I am clearing the way for ALL POSTERS ON THIS CHAT FORUM TO SPEAK ABOUT GOD IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS DISCUSSION. Hows that? Can we give our opinions a voice now?
Thanks.
Jerri Fabina
I agree John
Sandra G
We are not a theocracy (religiously based government) although many Republicans are working hard to give their often hateful beliefs the force of law. You are welcome to believe in God, worship God, talk about God, and consider God when you vote, but you don’t get to tell the rest of us we have to follow your belief system. The point being made had nothing to do with God but rather with trying to suppress speech that YOU personally do not agree with.
Walt
Excuse me it is NOT about free speech. It is about people attempting to indoctrinate MY kids – they DO NOT have that rigfht. For God’s sake how can anyone think we need to be teach K through 3rd grade ANYTHING about sex. And STOP calling it Don’t say gay. I don’t want some over sexed heterosexual coming in and telling ymK-3rd grader how many ttimes he had sex over the weekend, or even about his family. With reading writing and math scores falling and China eating our lunch we should be focusing on skills not sex. And any one who thinks other has a mental deficiency or an agenda. Oh and by the way while we may not be a theocracy – we certainly WERE FOUNDED on Judaeo Chrisitan principles – do a little history study – but not from howard Zinn.
SP
100% agree with you!! I do not understand why people want school teachers to be discussing sexual orientation with 5-8 yr olds. It is lunacy! Stop pushing wokeness on our babies and stop calling the bill “don’t say gay” it has 0% to do with that. If you want to be gay then by all means be gay but stop trying to indoctrinate my children. I will have that discussion with them when I determine the time is right.
colleen Sanchez
So agree excellent
HIllary C
If there was a God, I’d guess she’d have better things to do then get involved in the Reedy Creek zoning discussion.
Where was all the concern for children’s rights when parents seemed to be oblivious to their sons getting bent over by the family priest??? Was God on vacation at Universal that week (or 5 decades?
Walt
There is a God and you will meet HIM one day. Secondly – iDisney chose this war and I hope the govt uses every tool they have to shut disney’s fat trap.
colleen Sanchez
We can shut it and God is backing this
KilltheBill
Disney is being swayed by the the Woke. They scream the loudest but they are Not part of the values of mainstream Americans. Likely less than 5% could or would agree once the bill was explained to them, but that won’t happen in our hateful media!
CML
Agree. The ones that are pushing the woke agenda are a very small section of society. As far as I’m concerned they are entitled to live their lift the way they choose but they do NOT have the right to control how the rest of society functions. Give them their place in employment opportunities but do not deny the rest of society their opportunities. This garbage of having 50% of everything allotted to 5% of the population is wrong! And STOP the garbage of mot acknowledging both their natural biological gender. I am a FEMALE, my SON is a MALE etc. I will be addressed as who and what I am and anyone that does not is discriminating against me! A I will kindly point that out. Chapek needs to go and Disney as a whole needs to take a real truthful look around and stop the destruction of the magic and the joy, it’s what the business is all about.
Sue
I say good Disney need to stay the hell
Out of politics. We love are governor and for you who don’t leave or do t come down here disney is not in control of Florida.it maybe in control of there employees but that’s about it. Plus this don’t say gay bill no where in the bill does it say anything about gay. Plus more then half of the employees are for the bill but Disney didn’t want to acknowledge them only the ones that said they where against it. Who the hell care what Disney wants it want parents want . And don’t think you are going to move down here with your liberal way and try to change things bc if you think like that then please keep your ass out for Florida
Beth W.
Just saying…not everyone loves the governor of this state. Just because I don’t like him doesn’t mean I need to leave Florida though. Two parties still exist here, and will continue to exist. Get over it.
Disney isn’t trying to control Florida, they’re just against the government trying to decide what the people should and should not know about. Not sure how you know what over 50% (you’re ‘more than half’) of Disney employees want. You must be magic.
Just chill out, and remember that your kind (conservatives) aren’t the only ones who live in this state. The rest of us will continue getting our word out about equality, freedom of speech,etc., and try to keep things on an even keel.
John
Beth, are you a Disney employee having conversations behind closed doors with other Disney employees? Are you reading the minds of Disney leadership to know exactly why they are deciding to support this bill? You seem to call out Sue’s assumptions while making plenty of your own.
And as evidenced by the statistics, more than 1/2 of FL and more the 1/2 of the US agree with the bill. A very large number of people are tired of having so-called “equality, freedom of speech,etc.,” shoved down our throats and that of our youngest children through companies just like Disney. We would love to attend an entertainment organization that makes a goal of giving kids innocence and fun, and a dreamy hope far away from the daily grind and problems they face every day. We dont want to “celebrate Gay Pride Day” with Disney or any of the other places we are being told to adopt this view, and we certainly are tired of teachers and entertainers exposing our youngest kids to it.
Kevin from Realville
What we need is Disney to remain apolitical, to not support grooming and sexualizing children, and to not push agitprop in their entertainment. Seems easy enough to me.
hillary C
Leave the sexual grooming to the experts….your local catholic priest!
John
You are so messed up –you showcase why so many parents dont want you, Disney, or a public school teacher anywhere near our kids.
Linda Marie Gonzalez
I agree! However Disney just used their power and influence to crush our case to return to their previous accommodations for children/adults with autism. Bottom line Disney cared more about the money than about the disabled. I’m thrilled Florida’s want to help the LGBT community but we parents of the disabled could really use public outcry for Disney’s mistreatment of the disabled too!
JS
Exactly!
Matthew Muir
And please, for the love of god, PLEASE, don’t bring in any RELIGOUS connotations.
I’ve already had to expose a user called CLG for thrusting it upon people
Dee
Expose? Are you some sort of Religion Police? You don’t have the right to dictate what anyone else can say. It’s a free Country. BTW you said “god”
Matthew Muir
Look, I didn’t mean expose, I meant try and rein him in from making is choice of words too threatening, saying God WOULD judge them at the end of life; that really does come across as trying to impose his will on someone else.
I hope that makes sense. I know ‘expose’ was probably the wrong word
elizabeth judd
Socialist behavior
stephen
LOL! not in the least. Although I bet you would be hard pressed to even explain it should you actually happen to come across it in real life.
F.N. Goofy
Funny comment, coming from a “Silence Disney” fascist…(that’s you, Judd!)
joe
Just so everyone knows Matthew is one of those WOKE pos
Matthew Muir
That’s what I meant, Dee.
I just don’t want ANOTHER flurry of threats to ensue, and I know I should’ve worded it differently.
Bob
Everybody seems to Forget. Walt was a liberal too.
Kevin from Realville
No he wasn’t… the guy was an anti-Commie Capitalist, who fought against Lefties in Hollywood. Try again.
remy mak
Perhaps I missed something, but why did Desantis and his zealots think they needed to throttle “instruction about sexuality and gender”. Was it part of some curriculum somewhere?
Bob
It is in CA. But CA is full of Queers anyway.
franklin
Dang Bobby. Better put down the internet device in your hands because all the tech in there was designed out in that terrible state. Put your money where you mouth is and stop using the services and products that come from there. The rest of us will be much happier if you do.
LOL
Better a queer than a pathetic simp.
Hannahbea
its idiocy to think you should teach little ones who don’t even understand what life is about yet. Let then color paint learn to read and write
Donna Wheeler
Right stop forceing gay crap on kids .they will find out for their selves wen they hit puberty .lord then mom n or dad or dad dad or mom mom can explain their feelings n keep as family thing .n only thing people need do if their child not gay is to respect the ones that are n not bully them .
franklin
Did you have a stroke while typing that out?
Dee
That was funny. Tell us another joke.
Sheep-are-Tasty
So you’re pro-grooming. Nice.
Reinkenstier Reinke Karen
The homophobia is thick in Florida.
Gja
You missed everything. DeSantis and his cabinet are not zealots. The majority of Floridians and sane people, do not believe that very young children should be indoctrinated by Disney or progressive teachers . Any psychiatrist will attest that at that age they are not able to understand sexual themes or gender dysphoria. The Florida bill only requires that parents, not teachers control their children’s instruction in this sensitive area.
Jerri Fabina
To Gja,
DeSantis is a great governor and some day will be our president. You think they are zealots???? Then explain why people are moving here in droves.
RobinD
FYI 1. The majority of the year is sunny and warm. 2. There’s no state income tax. 3. Fantastic beaches. 4. Cultural diversity. 5. While the cost of living in Florida’s major cities, such as Miami, can be on the higher end, the majority of areas throughout the Sunshine State are very affordable compared to many other U.S. states. Etc….
peterparker
If not being taught anywhere, why would anyone be against it???
Tired of ignorance
There were a few parents with examples of sexualization and issues with gender identity from Florida in the press conference. This was done without telling the parents! That’s why the Parental Education Rights legislation was passed.
Chris B
“why did Desantis and his zealots think they needed to throttle “instruction about sexuality and gender”. Was it part of some curriculum somewhere?” because thats what the left wants installed in schools. Break out from your Disney lalala bubble and look at whats going on in reality.
Mike O'Drums
I think the Original poster has a Good Point!(like with Desantis berating school children for wearing masks, these issues don’t need to be Legislated and Promoted on a Right Wing Soap Box for Purely Political Gain), but should be addressed at the Local School District level-I know Exactly what my Son’s Curriculum was in Elementary, and this is Why we have Local Schoolboards that we Elect at the Local Level(and hence No Need to Legislate at the State level and insert a Political Agenda into our Local Schools…Period)!!!
Jerri Fabina
Children need to be children. Sexuality and gender instruction does not need to be introduced at such an early age. Let them be. There is enough in this world to confuse themes it is. It is a parent’s job to educate their child on these matters. Not Disney, not teachers, not Hollywood.
Robin D
Hi Remy. Great question. I hope you receive an accurate response; I’d love to read it. I’m in my 40s. I was taught sex education in 3rd grade. It was a great age. It didn’t include sexual orientation at that time; they assumed a man with a woman. I’m glad I received that education so early. It made me very aware of my body and able to make educated decisions to abstain through school. I wonder if people think that educating children about sex and sex orientation will somehow make them sexually active before they would have been or encourage them to experiment early or other reasons. That wasn’t my experience so it will depend on the child.
Linda Matthews
Yes but 3rd grade was not 5 6 or 7 I remember my 5 year old daughter saying she wanted to be a boy so she could play football with her older brother. We never once thought “oh does she really want to be a boy” She is now 35 married with children and appears to be very happy as a women. I just think 5 6 or 7 is to young to expose children to adult gender or sex decisions
Sandra G
No one was or is teaching explicit sexual content to young children which is what the proponents of this law have claimed. As the law stands, it is designed to erase the existence of a whole group of people, shame children who live with two same sex parents, and silence teachers who are now afraid to allow a child to talk about their two mommies in class in the same way other kids are allowed to talk about their mothers and fathers.
John
God is involved and His opinion matters. Statistically, most of America agrees with this.
Clearly you don’t, and have set yourself up as some kind of moderator who gets to instruct the participants on whether it’s okay for them to incorporate this viewpoint. For the rest of America, we dont care that you dont have faith -we do, we live by it, and most have now decided there is no time better than now to speak up about it.
As the new moderator of this discussion, I am clearing the way for ALL POSTERS ON THIS CHAT FORUM TO SPEAK ABOUT GOD IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS DISCUSSION. Hows that? Can we give our opinions a voice now?
Thanks.
nhoJ
Only a fool believes in a Sky Daddy that hates all the same people he does…I’ll bet you think he’s a big white guy in the clouds, with a beard to rival Poseidon’s. Amirite? How gullible can you be?
John
Unlike you, my view of God did not remain the visions of a cartoon artist on an old black and white TV. I learned and grew, and I (along with the vast majority of Americans) believe there is a real God with a very real love for kids, including all of those in a school system where the WD company wants to ensure they are indoctrinated on everything oposite of what they should be learning.
Johnny
I just wish Disney would go back to being Disney. Instead of constantly tossing the LGBTQ movement down our throats. My family and I do not care, nor do we want to be made aware of what other people do with their lives. Just give us the magic we paid for and leave the rainbows out of it. Thank you.
Darth Santis
Maybe try the The Holy Land Experience over on Vineland, Johnny? Oh, wait…it went out of business. No one is interested in that fantasy any more.
peterparker
Darth, your anger and bigotry is offensive to more than 1/2 of the country. I dont know anything at all about the park you are referring to. Our feelings are not hurt because you decided to pipe in to a much larger discussion about the nature of childrens entertainment, the future of FL, and how we proceed as a nation in light of having the views and lifestyle choices of a tiny percentage of our country jammed down our throats with the hope that we choke on it. The Disney company has made a choice that is likely to have incredibly negative repercussions for years to come. If only the consequences remained within the borders of the park, I and most of America would simply stay away. Unfortunately, Disney has now picked an ideological fight with a vast sea of people who believe in God, traditional family values, and an education system moving in the direction of supporting that. Your crack at “Johnny” shows your incredible hard-hearted views and a tremendous bias against truths many Americans hold dear. Its a shame really.
Walt
Actually I would be happy to go back to Walt’s way – what was wrong with that. This company was designed for children not for some 20 and up people who can’t get over their selfishness. And please stop blaming only chapek – this crap started under Iger. Its been heading down this woke, immoral path for a long time. Yes I said immoral. and meant it.
Elizabeth Bird
HERE is an opportunity for Disney to really reflect how most of us in this increasingly pluralistic diverse society look like. Please do not go back to the 50s or to follow the repressive nonsense of DeSantis. The FL Gov. is shooting himself in the foot in his ambition to out trump Trump.
Though it would likely not happen, would DeSantis like it better if Disney just left the state or down sized its Florida presence?
John
We reject your view of what we are supposed to be like, and what your vision of the future says we need to be. The end.
Truth
Ladies and Gentlemen, Boys and Girls you are all here because you came out of a woman’s V A G I N A
Matthew Muir
Did you see my comment above?
LOL
Hey “truth”, I’m glad you know how you shot out into this world. One day you might just learn how to be a human
Dee
The legislation prohibits any instruction about sexuality or gender between kindergarten and third grade, or in a manner that is not age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards.”
This bill is about K through third This bill is about K through third grade. Let me repeat: K through third—children ages 5, 6 and 7,” he said. “Disney’s position is that these children need lessons about transgenderism and sexual orientation. If you need me to explain why that’s wrong, it’s a waste of my time, because it’s so self-evident.”. Let me repeat: K through third—children ages 5, 6 and 7,” he said. “Disney’s position is that these children need lessons about transgenderism and sexual orientation. If you need me to explain why that’s wrong, it’s a waste of my time, because it’s so self-evident.”
Frank
You are reading the new law very narrowly as it does also refer to all grades. Take a closer look at it.
Marina
I could be wrong, but it sounds like Disney just wants to include children of all orientations, as they did with minorities. I don’t believe they intend to “instruct” them on the actual acts or specifics about their lifestyles. Its your job as a parent to monitor what YOUR child watches and to teach them YOUR values. And like Frank said, if you read it again, it says it includes what is deemed age appropriate. It doesn’t stop at primary grades. And who should consider what is appropriate for their child to watch? Individual parents. It’s not the government’s place to legislate morality. Remember how well prohibition worked out.
Momof2
They’re trying to normalize it to children who shouldn’t even be thinking of whether or not they want to change their identity… their gender! They shouldn’t be trying to sway the minds of kids that otherwise wouldn’t even be thinking about it.
Sandra G
So you want children who may have gender concerns about themselves to be shamed and silenced? To be shunned just because they don’t fit in the box you have constructed for them? You want to tell them they are not normal? Because let me give you a bulletin. Your attitude is why gay and trans kids have such a high rate of suicide. Also little kids are being made aware of this issue because YOU are making such a tremendous fuss. Otherwise, they would just be accepting that their friend Jane has two daddies and she likes the same ice cream flavor they do, giving each equal weight in their young minds. No fuss, and living as Jesus told us, to love our neighbors as ourselves. No exceptions were included.
Walt
Oh spare me. What child at that age is thinking of sex – they don’t even have sexual hormones that are active – and you would push to allow them to mutilatetheir bodies. This is a sexual malfunction not a mistake in the biological process. Its called Gender dysphoria – stop spreading your bullcrap.
Julian H
I agree with you Walt, at that young age children do not need to know this stuff. Let them enjoy their innocence and grow up, there is plenty of time in their teens to learn about the birds and Bees and all the in between.
Hawk
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colleen Sanchez
It is not Disney’s place for sure
Robert
Show me a curriculum that states this should be taught for that age group anywhere in this state. You can’t can you?
Hawk
👍👍👍😎👍👍 Robert I meant to give you 👍👍
peterparker
If not being taught anywhere, why would anyone be against it???
colleen Sanchez
Your confusion can be helped just read and learn. The absence of something does not conclude its validity.
peterparker
Hmmm. Im not quite sure what you mean. I see a tremendous number of people protesting the bill, but then saying no teachers are teaching young kids about sex, LGBTQIA+ issues, and gender changes. I’m wondering why those people are protesting the bill if they are at the same time saying no one is doing it. It would be one thing if thier messaging stated that it was simply a non-issue and waste of time for legislators to spend time on it, since no one is teaching it. But instead they are attacking the bill and the FL statehouse angrily. Why would they if they truly believed no one would ever teach this now or in the future?
deb
And it won’t be going forward. It’s not in the curriculum. It’s in the classroom. Catch up on the news.
John
Exactly, deb. This bill is so needed to ensure kids are taught truth and school basics, not sex and gender issues. And someone tell me which 5-8 year old would be thinking or talking about ANY of this if adults or older kids were not engaging them in discussion on it.
colleen Sanchez
Excellent conclusion
Charlie Goodson
My only comment is that many children in that age group have two mommy’s other two daddies. These kids need help because they are already probably being degraded. I don’t know and I don’t have the answer. Somewhere their will be a price to paid and hopefully it’s not in a suicide.
Hawk
They are not degraded u less it’s by those taught to be unkind. Those taught there’s something wrong with these kids and families. Kids don’t care! It’s evident from this thread it is only the adults who either for religious reasons or their beliefs who care. YOU are putting it on the kids if you are judging. God will judge for me. Kids tho k they can walk on the picket fence till an adult says they can’t. Kids are not born feeling uncomfortable with diff races, or any diff beliefs, ADULTS TEACH THEM. I just believe In to each his own. And if something doesn’t effect my kids or me, let all live in peace. I think I finally figured out Where have All the flowers gone. What happened to us. That is all. Peace
Chris B
So if your child comes home from school one day and says “daddy I want to become a girl. I dont feel like a boy anymore” you wouldnt think anything of it?
Lynne
It may not be the ideal situation for most, but you accept your children as they are. Children know from an early age if they are attracted to the opposite sex or not. No, they don’t know about sex and should not, but they feel an attraction. They also need to feel safe and accepted in their family life. They can not do this if their neighbors tell them that their family is wrong or bad because it does not fit the lifestyle of the neighbor.
John
Parenting 101 says you do your job and guide your own 5 year old through the challenges they feel when they dont know how to feel. Dont coddle your elementary schooler and just say, “oh its okay to feel however you feel, and you should be safe in your space to feel it. ” God forbid they come home and say they want to kill classmates. What then? Listen to your young kids to understand why they feel as they do, then help them away from it. Sometimes you tell them “NO”. Thats called PARENTING.
colleen Sanchez
If this is so natural why would it lead to suicide if not discussed with the children in these classes. Preventing suicide is very important and should not be ignored but you are comparing apples to oranges. The parents no matter what gender are responsible to help their child understand their choices that is all everyone does not need to be involved.
Mo
Disney is going to lose Big Time. Their family focus is lost to Disney. Their woke sexual deviant ideology is wrong to 90% of normal families. They’re cowering to 10% of the deviant communities. They’re gonna lose big time !
J
Yes, Disney has gone overboard. There is no need to shove this on little kids. Lgbqt has their opinion, and nobody else matters. Even though they are a minority that has confused 1000s of kids in their identity. They’re not cool unless they go along with all their warped values.
U.B. Trippin
I don’t like Disney, and I never have. But let’s be frank – Florida needs Disney a LOT more than Disney needs Florida. This is not a battle DeSantis, Baxley, or Sabatini can possibly win.
Disney has unlimited funds to throw at their opponents…plus if they want to they can make some Star Wars and Marvel Universe villains that are clearly patterned after these clowns.
And let’s be clear: this legislation has one purpose: to stir up hatred against a community that has already faced public hatred and animosity forever. It was only 5 years ago right here in Orlando that 49 people were killed and 53 wounded at Pulse…
As many have pointed out, there is no curriculum here to fight…no “grooming.” Just book banning by the American Taliban.
John
You are not biased at all, clearly (did you catch my sarcasm, or do I need to write SARCASM so you understand?)
Darth Santiss
He expressed his opinion…not a bias. You sound like you might have a bit of bias yourself, Johnny! Perhaps a bit of bigotry, too.
John
Wait, Darth…[insert pondering look, similar to Rodan’s Thinker]…so you are saying when I express MY opinion, maybe people should be okay accepting it as an OPINION and not the views of the Taliban? Another dang hypocrite.
U.B. Trippin
Here’s a Sarcasm ProTip, John: If you have to ask, or write SARCASM in all caps, you’re not using it properly. Try a statement that no one could ever find believable. Example: “Gee, John…your super-creepy religious intolerance and slavish devotion to Ron DeSantis must make you VERY popular with the ladies!”
See how easy that was?
John
You ignorant bigot!!! Only in your judgemental Taliban mind could you know what gender (if any) Im attracted to??? Such a close-minded hypocrite.
colleen Sanchez
Pretty sure we will find out. If anyone thinks Disney property brought down to dirt is suddenly not sellable you might want to rethink that one. All property in Floriday is worth more than Disney.
remy mak
Perhaps I missed something, but why did Desantis and his zealots think they needed to throttle “instruction about sexuality and gender”. Was it part of some curriculum somewhere?
Hawk
Thank you!someone kindly tell us all where that is being taught. It’s hard enough for kids and teens without this insanity. Sorry if I offend anyone but I’ve known several gay couples who are wonderful parents with perfectly normal kids In fact monogamy with gay couples seems stronger than heterosexual couples. Disney is make believe for kids and adults.
Leave it alone. Been here since before Disney. They give tons and tons of money to charities and do good things in our communities. EVERY AMERICAN has a right to their happiness! Frankly we should be paying CLISE attention to pitic players and VOTE out the old guy relics Mostly white male anx rich. Let’s focus on why they can have vasectomies done they can play around and still try to dictate to women what they can do with their bodies. S
Not seeing the hypocrisy anyone. ???!? Unless you are the creator or whatever er. Eli RC you have/Ed are NOT the Judge. So tell us please where is this being taught? I will not condone laws that make the lady 50 years continue yr to backwards 50 years ago we were a kinder and much better America. We should be quite the mind advanced society but we are not. That is due to politicians snd those who give them money to back their desires of society. It’s quite maddening if one looks at it all intelligently. This is MIT the best we can be. And it’s dad to me for my kids and grandkids. Who don’t care if their friends have Mom and dad, 2 mommies, 2 daddies, one mommy, one daddy, one or 2 grandmas, aunts or uncles .. it is 2022 people. Lots of Folks just seem ok with going backwards. We are the HOVERI G power people/well let’s put it this way, the politicians, E ETYO E of them, are supposed to be doing business if the people. If you’re good with how they’re doing it maybe we come visit in Never Never land sometime. Oh wait/that’s Disney! See you there. Peace and blessings to all
John
We have a right to happiness? Who granted us that?
PC
Yes, it is being taught to this age group.
peterparker
If not being taught anywhere, why would anyone be against it???
colleen Sanchez
Yes it was you might want to see some of the Children’s books offered and the discussion work ups before you think these are just zealots 56% zealots make you 44% uninvolved.
Aleshia
I just wish our fine governor would threaten the company that’s bigger than Disney and has caused alot of hardship and turmoil for the hard working voters of northwest Florida. Sadly he either forgot about us, or is straight up ignoring our pleas for help with this greedy unethical power company! Fpl makes Disney look like a peon. Is our beloved governor scared of fpl? No, probably more like birds of a feather…… Anyway that’s the battle I’d pay good money to see. I wonder who would win that fight. Hmmm, sadly we won’t get to find out because our governor has chosen to ignore the hard working citizens being bullied by fpl. Instead he chooses the easy battle that don’t even affect us, I mean he already won that battle anyway so move on to the next big opponent that’s really hurting us,. We can boycott Disney if we don’t like their policies but “WE NEED the GOVERNORS HELP HERE IN NORTHWEST FLORIDA! We need him to rein in fpl cause they hurting his voters up here. Where are you governor? Make a stand against fpl for us! We need you! We at least want to know where you stand on the issue. Nevermind, your silence speaks loud and clear on where you stand.. smh,
Hawk
I can’t believe there’s been hardly any help in devesysted panhandle! Oh but if it was Tallahassee or that resort area down south it’d be rebuilt and folks would have help! God bless you. It’s terrible
Ruth Batting
What kind of a governor says bad things are going to happen? Disney has been doing just great b4 Desantis and will continue after Desantis. You talk about a bully in the bunch, Desantis certainly holds that title.
John
Funny, Ruth, it seems those of us on the “lets teach our youngest kids school subjects instead of sex and gender issues” (well over 1/2 of the country) feel that Disney is the bully in this case and failing it’s primary purpose of being all about clean and wholesome entertainment for children, and DeSantis the great protector of children and family. No chance you are an empathetic individual who can see the view from the other side?
Ruth Batting
Mike, you hit the nail on the head.
Momof2
If you think trying to sway the minds of our babies is right, then there’s no helping you. Plus, this may be one example of the right trying to intimidate to get their way, but the left is definitely winning that race…. at least this is to keep our kids safe from manipulation.
Crystal
DeSantis and all these hateful, hypocritical, far-right politicians are ruining Florida. I love how they all claim the cancel culture is wrong yet its ok when they do it. It’s ok for them to push their agendas and views but when others do it it’s wrong? I can’t stand hypocrisy and the GQP as a whole are the best at it..Please vote them all out to save Florida
John
Not likely. Actually this may gain them more support as 52% of Florida democrats support this bill.
RobinD
Don’t place too much emphasis on any poll or survey. They’re hoping that you will believe what they state without giving it any thought. “More Than 52% of Florida Democrats Support Bill Limiting LGBTQ Discussion in School.” You can make it look the way you want. I’m sure you already know this. It appears that the SAMPLE SIZE is 701. 12% were unsure; 32% definitely no; 20% somewhat no (whatever that means); 36% somewhat yes + definitely yes. It doesn’t necessarily speak to the 5M+ democrats in FL. Have a beautiful day.
John
John, the vast majority of the rest of America is cheering this bill on as well.
Johnny
Move north
John
Ha, he kids…
colleen Sanchez
You will never reach the moral pinnacle unless you vote out those republican you will never be New York, LA, or Chicago not that is morality. You keep working on that you can ruin another state in no time.
John
There is nothing controversial about this bill period.
peterparker
I support it.
Charlie Goodson
The amount of revenue that Disney brings to Florida needs to be considered in how people and goverment need to deal with this issue.
Julian H
Why should a corporate Company have that much sway in opinions. Everyone pays taxes, most likely many more dollars than Disney pay. So everyone should have a fair say.
I would add Disney need Florida more than Florida needs them.
colleen Sanchez
Move Disney to Alaska I am sure they will do just as well. So Disney is doing you the favor to have their business in a beautiful state that people love to visit. Now I get it.
Walt jr
Agreed completely. As to the previous comment, I’m a Floridian NOT in favor of DeSantis and this bill. I know many others against it. I believe it’s supported by a vocal minority, certainly not a majority of Floridians.
Howie
Repeal Disney’s Reedy Creek self government ability. Tax in the same manner as every other business in that area and enforce the laws of the county through the county police.
Deja
I see Chapek ruining Disney on purpose to lower the stocks and then create a scenario where he can sell out and have another group take over more than likely a foreign group. Seen it happen before with other companies.
Richard Greer
How is De Santis going to explain “the living hell” that the Florida economy will go through if Disney packs up and leaves the State! How will taxpayers react to higher sales tax that will result to make up for the shortfall. I believe children should have a choice of expressing their sexual orientation and it is not the business of State Government to force educators to deny reality to children who are inquisitive.
Ken
5to7 year old children are very impressionable. Let parents make these decisions, not teachers. There is one teacher on line who is crying that she cannot talk to her first grade students about her relationship with her same sex partner. I don’t care if it is her opposite sex partner, teachers don’t cross personal line with students
PC
If you think 5,6 & 7 year olds should be taught theses things you are a very sick person.
John
Too funny. Pack up and leave the state. Mmmmk.
Julian H
Richard Really, let young children with their innocence grow up, there is plenty of time in their teens to learn about such issues.
Disney is not the be all and end all of Florida. These days Disney is so corrupt and not a good example to anyone. There is plenty of choice in Florida besides.
colleen Sanchez
So you are aware of a lot of K thru 3 expressing their concerns that they can’t get their sex ed on. Sure you do!
Bob
Everybody seems to Forget. Walt was a liberal too.
JM
I’m not sure under which definition you would label Walt such a liberal.
We know he was anti-union and railed against his employees trying to unionize for fair pay and called them communists. He was not a communist sympathizer, so what definition of liberal would you apply to him?
desantisfan55
Bob, try doing your research on Walt Disney before declaring him a liberal. Did you forget you’re in a comment section with a lot of Disney fanatics?
joe
No he wasnt idiot
Anne
Personally I think,as usual,that DeSantis doesn’t have his priorities straight. What he should be focused on right now is people struggling to even survive with inflation and gas prices. Withholding funds allotted by the US Govt to help people in Florida should be illegal. DeSantis is power-hungry and financially greedy. Who cares about what DISNEY is doing or not doing when people who cant afford such luxuries as going to disney are struggling just to put food on their tables,pay their rent or mortgage,pay for prescriptions,pay their electric bill,or put gas in their car . I will be so glad when he can be voted out of office.
Karen Reinkenstier
Only homophobia explains the reason for this bill existence. Science about biological, genetic, and hormonal sex and gender regarding every other species on this planet is considered legitimate. But God forbid (lol) we address and SAY it when it comes to human beings. To cover everyone’s eyes and avoid teaching our children about reality is a disservice to the entire planet. Do you know there are cultures that honor people with both masculine and feminine “souls” and those people are treated as leaders and appreciated for their unique and valuable knowledge and experiences? Why do Americans feel so superior and self righteous to condemn and ostracize people who don’t fall into cookie cutter gender norms? Why is Ron Desantis so concerned about what other people pee out of and have sex with? Does he know white men are the number one culprits of committing sex crimes? This is the most backwards bs in history.
peterparker
He is the best FL has ever had.
Johnny
Its called getting a job Anne
RobinD
Thank you for your comments, Anne. I’m sure some will comment that you should leave Florida if you don’t agree with DeSantis but that doesn’t make much sense does it? I wish DeSantis was more concerned about ALL Florida residents than GRANDSTANDING to try to show he has some power or great influence. I’m not struggling to survive but still sympathize with those who do. There are some citizens who believe the government should not assist people in need and state that it falls on the citizens but those same citizens don’t help in any way. I try to assist with my time and resources and hope that anyone who positively or negatively responds to your comment will do so too. Have a beautiful day!
John
Very kind and insightful comment, RobinD. We should all be doing all we can to help, regardless of our views and any disagreement.
Reinkenstier Reinke Karen
Desantis is Deworst.
Prof. PBB
I fully join those who detest this new law and its not-secret anti-LGBTQ agenda. This, the completely misvoncdived anti-CRT movement, and fascist Gov. DeSantis’ wrongful invocation of “woke” threaten the anti-liberty regime in FL that Trump and is followers would impose on the Nation.
Moreover, basic principles of 5th abd 14th Amendments “due process of law” rightly forbid retaliatory governmental actions against persons, corporations included, for exercising free speech rights. DeSantis’ abd other officials’ comments make it clear that FL’s primary, overwhelming motive is to punish Disney for publicly disagreeing with proposed policy and enacted law.
Such is a major tenet of fsscism.
Hawk
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Danielle
I believe that Disney is correct and standing up for everyone’s best interests not secluding anyone. Isn’t that what our Country supposed to be all about?
I do not believe that this Bill should never even be a thing. Why are these words taboo? The more you hide away things, hide them, make them a mystery the more curiosity your going to bring to it.
If we were all raised learning of new things in life as just something new, and not make a huge deal. Maybe our children could grow up learning acceptance for all humans regardless of sex, race, origin or sexuality.
Everyone bleeds the same!
peterparker
peterparker
Acceptance is not the same as “adoptance”. You can do what you want, but when you attempt to force me to go along with your agenda and even cheer it, thats where it becomes a huge huge problem.
Danielle
I believe that Disney is correct and standing up for everyone’s best interests not secluding anyone. Isn’t that what our Country supposed to be all about?
I do not believe that this Bill should never even be a thing. Why are these words taboo? The more you hide away things, make them a mystery the more curiosity your going to bring to it.
If we were all raised learning of new things in life as just something new, and not making a huge deal of it. Maybe our children could grow up learning acceptance for all humans regardless of gender, race, origin or sexuality.
Everyone bleeds the same color!
peterparker
Acceptance is not the same as “adoptance”. You can do what you want, but when you attempt to force me to go along with your agenda and even cheer it, thats where it becomes a huge huge problem.
Bob Johnson
Danielle do you even know what the bill is even about? No where in the bill does it talk about “Don’t say gay”
The bill is merely to give parents a say in what is taught about sex to their children.
Joe
F Disney, hope they go out of business.
Di
I want Disney to go back to Magic I went there yearly to get away from politics to just go into mindless fun and happiness no left no right no liberal no conservative it was all as one in the moment of seeing kids being happy living memories through seeing another child having the same reaction as my now teen when they see pirates or fairies. Now its all left leaning and the magic is destroyed with high prices less quality everything rides that barly work if you go a day with out seeing a fight you re lucky. :/ people are now angry and entitled
The care free disney is now gone forever with the lgbtqlmnop or whatever it is called now. I honestly didn’t mind pride week there i didn’t mind dance week i didn’t mind marathon week cause we were all there as one and happy. Now you have to throw politics in it. The magic is gone forever.
peterparker
This bill and the gov who signed it are fantastic. Children need our leadership standing up for them.
Ken
Come on people because of the less than 5% the 95% have to suffer. Really no more ladies and gentlemen no more princess allowed to be said. What the hell is wrong with Disney. I for one am done with Disney until this Woke CEO is gone and Disney comes to their senses. Stay out of politics and get back to what made you in the first place.
John
Exactly! Stay in your lane! They have ZERO business spewing their BS opinion on politics or any other issues frankly.
John
It’s up to parents for these topics. NOT schools. Stay in your lane and teach reading, writing and math.
Heather
WHY do those that write about this situation continue to call it the “Don’t Say Gay” bill instead of what it is actually called “Parental Rights in Education” bill? Continuing to call it what “they” call it is keeping the narrative going. STOP IT!
Tammy Duncan
I think Disney should stay OUT of politics!!!! Get back to being a theme park for kids a magical place for families to make memories. It supposed to be the happiest place on earth but wow has all that changed. Come on Disney YOU CAN DO BETTER….
stephen
>I think Disney should stay OUT of politics!!!!
All companies should stay out of politics. I don’t really care what my cell phone carrier, car manufacturer or cat food maker have to say on anything. Just make good quality products or services, let me buy it and just shut up.
peterparker
TOTALLY completely agree, stephen. I dont need or want to hear the political or personal views of the vendors that I buy products and services from. If they insist on having my ear on these issues, I’ll take my business to someone who is willing to serve without the soapbox.
Nicole
We welcome you to move your parks to NY Disney World . Elsa would love it here in the winter ❄️ Problem solved 😉
Kevin
Good luck with that. Disney is not going to move their parks anywhere. Especially not someplace that they will have to shut down said parks for 6 months out of the year. Not too mention it will take a decade or more to get new parks up and running to the level they are at in Florida. Face it, Disney finally bit off more than it can chew this time.
Kris
There are far more deserving states for a Disney park than Florida. The state is sinking both literally and figuratively.
Siobhan
Right? Would love to see them abandon that ship and let all the woke, radical, right wingers enjoy themselves. Disney is the largest taxpayer in Orange County and the largest employer in Orange County.
Mark
Ugh, just teach your freakin children not to be bigoted against any other child because they happen to be different, and all this nonsense will not matter as they grow. Whatever your stance is on this bill, just REALLY starts with YOU, at home! Let’s move on from this and learn to be listeners instead of auto-triggered bickerers. Your children will thank you for it when they grow up to be GOOD adults. 👍
Kevin
Meanwhile, woke, hypocritical Disney is expanding its operations by offering Disney+ in AT LEAST 10 explicitly anti-gay countries/regions. These are: Algeria, Egypt, Libya, Morocco, Oman, Qatar, Saudia Arabia, Tunisia, Yemen, and the region of Palestine. Please look up how gay/transgender people are treated in these countries. Funny how Disney can make a false stand and virtue signal against a completely mis-labled Florida bill but it’s business as usual when they want to expand their streaming service to carve out more of a piece of that revenue.
Kevin from Realville
I’m curious… why didn’t you call the bill by its actual name? This site is such leftist propaganda, it’s ridiculous…
K
It’s about the parents and what they want their children to be taught or exposed to… It’s not the schools decision. If you haven’t seen the drag queen doing story time with children in this age group that they are talking about then your head is in the sand. Disney should have stayed in their lane instead of listening to the minority
Mason
If the liberals running Disney hates the Parental Rights in Education bill and Ron Desantis so much while wanting Disney World to be its own government they should try to secede from Florida and become its own state.
desantisfan55
And change their name to anything but Disney. They don’t deserve to be using it.
Rachel Winiecki
The incredible racism and Homophobia is as thick as fleas on a dog in Floriduh and was the biggest reason I left that backward state in the 70s. Now they want to punish anyone or Company that thinks inclusiveness is wrong. Giving these powers to these people is only going down the rabbit hole to doom.
Kevin
How about you actually read the Bill first before you comment? It’s obvious you haven’t.
Jane
The whole bill was a waste of time because no one was teaching K-3 anything about homo/trans sexuals anyway. All it is a scam by conservatives to stoke up anger and outrage with it’s base.
Because they don’t like Disney’s criticism , they’re threatening the company? If you don’t give us money, we’re going to destroy you?
Linda Marie Gonzalez
In our county we had to show in our lesson plans that we were teaching our small children this. Are you a teacher? Maybe in your county that’s not the case but we actually had to have a protest to get rid of teaching that despicable curriculum
John
Give us money? What are you talking about? The statements of support for the bill and the FL statehouse have all been clear, and none have anything to do with money: support family values, teach truth and real legitimate school subjects to young kids, and stop shoving your ideology down our throats to force us to celebrate, support, and give obeisance to people making horrible choices for thier lives and trying to get the very youngest to join them.
franklin
Look up “disney political donations florida” and you will see that they gave the candidates there almost $5m during the 2020 election cycle. I think the only people that love money more than Disney are politicians.
michele gesling
Disney needs to stop and look at who the majority of their base is. Most people don’t believe children should be subjected to this community thought process, it’s hard enough being a child & parent in this day and age without the added influence surrounding them daily. Making these choices for us, fit our kids is simply wrong and I believe in this legislation, I wish it went further than 3rd grade. Public schools, schools in general should not be teaching or explaining or focusing on anything else but pure education. That’s what their parents are for. High school kids can start to choose in their own ways, join their own clubs and college is truly the place for kids to explore who “They” are. I’m tired of seeing this culture being forced down our throats, constantly. I don’t exploit my sexual orientation or who I choose to be. Why can’t our private lives stay – private and our children left alone to truly be just kids! This whole ideology is actually quite sickening. I’ve taught early childhood education, they don’t need to be anymore confused than this whole world & its craziness already makes them – outside noise. Let them choose when they’re actually old enough to. When they truly understand their choices and are mature enough to handle that choice. Children go through multiple stages and labeling at any age before they’re brains are fully developed is wrong. Suggestive characters in movies that are rated G – is wrong! Disney, please don’t succumb to this thinking.
Disney – please find your moral compass. There is definitely a way to find inclusion – but NOT with our young children. They don’t even need to understand what LGBTQ…..ect is until Later when they’re on their way to adulthood and need that acceptance in finding their way. Unless, they’re parents decide to do so b/c maybe their family dynamics are different. Still, that’s up to their parents. Stop the labels……and I might add – please stop allowing cast members with full beards, wearing lipstick & a dress in your dining halls from doing so! You want to talk about confusion!!!!! If they want to dress like a girl – they need to try to look like one! Not full beard, lipstick and a dress as a hostess in your dining. If a man or woman works in the parks & they’re choosing to look like the other – you need a definition of what that dress code looks like. I don’t care, but, a full beard wearing a dress…..cmon!
Please let’s get back to some kind of unilateral dress code & some normalcy. This other conversation is really meant for private lives – not a debate about ES teachings or any other public format! Why would you even take this stance?
Coming from A very loyal Disney fan that owns a piece of the magic that’s being tarnished and faded by a group that needs stop! Enough is enough! If you want acceptance, have some acceptance that some things in life, simply need to be left alone. Innocence of our children, need to be just that, innocence. Let kids be kids, parents, be parents. Of a child has feelings, their are ways he/she can go about getting guidance outside of family, if need be.
peterparker
Love this response, michele!
GayinFl
Ok, but many many parents are either too “busy” to discuss sex, too uncomfortable, or in denial that their child is even at an age to think about sex. So yeah, kinda need an impartial middle ground to help these kids understand the possible outcome of having sex. Or maybe you like seeing a hardly teenaged could with a baby and having the their opportunity to grow up because they didn’t really understand the severity of having their own child?
peterparker
My hard-working loving conservative Christian parents very discretely discussed the nature of sex with me at a time they felt was appropriate, and long after I came through elementary school. Do I find myself confused or scarred and with babies having been produced far too early in my life because sex was not discussed at elementary ages? No. I lived my childhood with fun, innocence and a sense of personal responsibility, all helped along by loving parents. Im not bragging — I’m blessed to be a classic case of the right discussion at the right age, and I would compare my experience to what you are proposing and drop the mic. There is no comparison to loving parents (I believe a married mom and a dad in a loving relationship helps tremendously here) teaching these issues personally and in an age-appropriate manner. I’m doing the same with my kids, and they smile and laugh and learn and enjoy life with no confusion at all about whether they were made by a loving God, or what gender they are, or what gender they should choose to love and marry and start a family with. That is my choice to teach them that way, and I dont intend for a school teacher or Disney or a government or a person on the street to teach them any differently. They will grow up happy, avoiding many big mistakes in life because of the way my wife and I have taught them.
Linda Marie Gonzalez
Disney and Judge Anne Conway destroyed any chance of people with autism enjoying Disney parks. Parents of children with autism fought for years to have Disney go back to their original accommodations for people with autism but Disney got Judge Anne Conway, who has the worse track record against the disabled ,to rule against us. Disney didnt want to help us because they were only concerned about profits not the disabled.Disney is too powerful. They have influenced judges and politicians in the state of Florida. This needs to stop!
Joanne
I thought this was about Disney’s political influence in Florida and the Don’t Say Gay law.
My concern with the law is for the children whose parents are gay. Now these kids will think that something is wrong with their family. I expect no one is going to speak about sexual practices to children.
The Florida government might want to take a step back from giving Disney ultimatums. They could pack up their theme parks and their annual multi million dollar industry.
Kevin
Good luck with that. Disney is not going to move their parks anywhere. For one thing there are only a very limited amount of places they could possibly move to. They will not move someplace closer to DisneyLand on the West Coast and they can’t move to a northern state where they will have to shut down said parks for 6 months out of the year because of the winter season. Not too mention it will take a decade or more to get new parks up and running to the level they are at in Florida. Face it, Disney finally bit off more than it can chew this time. I also suggest you actually educate yourself and read the “Parental Rights in Education” Bill before you call it the wrongly inflamatory misnamed “Don’t Say Gay” Bill and jump to conclusions about what its going to do or not do.
Kristen Anderson
Good riddance.
stephen
Zero is zero, actually less than zero, chance of Disney shutting down the parks in Orlando. The have had the most profitable quarter ever for the parks division for the last two quarters running and I bet it happens again. Disney may be lot of things but above all they are lovers of money and people keep showing up at WDW to give them more.
John
Wow, I dont know where you think I was..I have 3 very young kids and was shouting out loud that anyone who would abuse kids the way some have and those who allowed it to be covered up should not just have a law written, they should be thrown in jail for a very long time, or worse! (Do you hear that, miss SCOTUS nominee???) Can I be any more clear? Help me be more clear if you can. Everyone in my very large God-centered circle of friends felt exactly the same way. Check your own bias at the door please. Oh yeah, and while you are at it, how about I teach my o w n kids abo gender and sex, not you, a teacher, or the gay pride parade at WDW, Mmmkay???
Dale
Talk about sex in any form with my 7year old granddaughter and see what happens when I find out. Now should the person being an employee of a school district make my reaction any different? Now, as for Disney, they should have never been given special privileges. I think it’s time Disney Corp. was taught a few hard lessons about treating ALL people fairly and equally. It’s also time to stop letting people with money run this country, since the majority of the people don’t have all the money. Remember when majority ruled ?
John
Me. I do. [Raising hand and waving wildly from the back] I love the bill and the electorate currently in office. I hope the many many others who support it and them will be willing to have the courage to stand up strong in the face of the anti-family, bigotted, onlslaught.
Kristen Anderson
This ridiculous it is very ignorant for teachers to quit over this issue. We are talking about children in Kindergarten through 3rd grade. If one has children of their own they should understand. No matter how old a child is it is the PARENTS responsibility to teach their children about sex. No Matt what their child’s age or sexual orientation. Schools need to focus on reading, arithmetic and science. Thank God Florida has a governor with common sense. Disney is ridiculous and verified not plan on taking my kids and grandkids there anytime soon. Get a grip.
Tom
Enough with the politicization of Disney. It’s an ENTERTAINMENT company, not a political party. They need to be under Florida’s government. They’re not an independent state. Let them see how other towns cope with laws. Or close down and go back to California.
Denise
We have the best governor in the country here in Florida. Disney has overreached for far too long into areas that are none of their business–government legislation and parental rights. They are using techniques of indoctrination incorporated into their products/productions. They are anti-traditional family and anti-Christian, and they need to be cut down.
SG
Has anyone listened to parents who have children and how they feel?
Does DeSantis and his followers know that not every child has a mom and dad.
Mom and dad
Just mom
Just dad
Mom and mom
Dad and dad
Born male is now female with same or different
Born female is now male with same or different
All colors all sexes
We are all human. We all love. We love our children and they love us as we are. Yes even 5 -12 year olds know that their humans love each other and that’s a beautiful thing. Children need that, need stable loving humans, that helps them become loving people. They don’t know the mechanics that’s a totally diferent thing and they should be kept innocent until nearing puberty, and getting “the talk” from their parents.
This discussion is not about “the talk”. It’s about my two moms, my two dads, etc.
John
Exactly what do you think that is, “my two moms”, “my two dads”? It is specifically a discussion of sex, of worldview, and of who we are all ultimately responsible to about the decisions we make in our lives. Someone *made* us the way we are. Our genes tell that story. He set up a family in a specific way. I plan to teach my kids that way, not your way. Will I teach them to poke fun? Never. Will I teach them to admire and respect those choices, or adopt them as thier own? Never. Walt Disney World and the school system are trying to take that decision for how to parent my kids away from me, and use a modern societal view (literally, historically, developed within the last 7 years out of thousands and thousands of years or so and touted as an evolved society) to try and whip me and my family into submission.
I reject your worldview, and will happily turn my back on the not-so-common sense you propose. I will be teaching a set of well-rounded, well-developed kids about God, the Bible, personal responsibility, and very clear differences between right and wrong. I’m sure you, Disney, and the school board disagree, and it does not matter to me at all.
Octavius A
Chapek’s misstep could be very serious for Disney in Florida and seriously damage their autonomy for many years to come . If the Florida legislature uses the nuclear option to “kneecap” Disney by repealing 1967 Reedy Creek Improvement Act–and I hope it does– they will only have themselves to blame. I was perfectly happy to go to WDW knowing that there are a lot of people there that I don’t agree with on moral issues and lifestyles. I can respect those choices even if I don’t agree with them and all of us can still have a great time. But Disney has crossed a line over the last few weeks. I had already planned a June WDW vacation and if I were to cancel now I’d end up with a several hundred dollars in gift card refunds that I wouldn’t want to use so after this vacation we will be traveling elsewhere for vacation until Disney drops it’s political activism on sexualizing children. This was a blunder of epic proportions by both Chapek and Iger. It was possible to co-exist within Disney prior to this but that is no longer the case for me and my family.
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