More reasons to hate the new system. Something NEEDS to be done about the awful thing.
Mitchell, I agree that Fastpass+ has some serious issues that need to be addressed, and the whole My Magic+ system has been a money hole that has set the Parks years back in terms of development.
However, I can’t logically accept THIS as a reason to hate the new system. This was a glitch. The ages old Fastpass system had glitches. I used to work at MK in Turnstiles (a very short time), and the old ticket system would have glitches now and then. Glitches just happen.
The only place that I can sort of agree with you is that this is one of the first cases I’ve heard of “your word vs. the computer” where Disney has sided with the computer. Disney is usually a company that bends over backwards to make sure guests are happy, this was a rather ham-handed “Oh well, you’re screwed” by the cast members. Not so much as a No Strings Attached?
I think I have an idea. Fastpass+ reservations should include a unique QR code, generated when the reservation is made. Something that, at the very least, can be scanned and demonstrate it was a legit booking.
it’s a glitch that could ruin someones vactaion. Imagine telling your little girls that they will get to meet Anna and Elsa 60 days then when you get to the park your fast pass isn’t recognized.
That’s why I told my daughter we’re going to TRY to meet Anna and Elsa, but they’re very very popular and we might not get to see them.
“Those who didn’t make FastPass+ reservations when they became available on MyDisneyExperience.com 1-2 months ago or at an in-park kiosk first thing in the morning (with extremely limited availability) had to wait in the standby line.” There is nothing good about that statement. People who decide to go at the last minute to the park have almost no shot at doing it fairly. The old system was simple, you get there early and you get the FP, first come, first serve. A FP is not a rite but a privilege, or atleast that’s the way it has always been. Disney made a huge mistake with this new system.
Regular old caffeine free Fastpass hasn’t entirely gone away, has it? I’m not sure, but it seems like you could still do that.
Worst to ABSOLUTE worst, you CAN get in the regular line and wait. Disney often overestimates wait times, and the regular line is worked in with the Fastpass line.
smaller things you can probably get but bigger things not so much. It makes it very hard for spur of the moment visitors.
FP- hasn’t been available for quite some time now.
Just the opposite. Snow White had a posted time of 30 minutes and it took 90. Every FP+ person was allowed in. If absolutely no one was walking up the ramp the CM would turn around and would let one standby group go through. I counted 75 FP+ right before I as a solo person was allowed on.
yup old fastpass is long gone. That’s actually the reason I hate how people are still calling this a beta or in “testing phase”
It’s the only way to get fast passes.
I totally agree, My Magic+ and FP+ is a brilliant service, we used it on our vaction in 2013 whilst it was testing… I do think though that FP+ reservations should be limited to 1 week prior, no longer. This would make it fairer to all involved!
Well Disney could NOT have fastpasses at all, or make the privilege only available to those who pay extra for it, like another theme park close by.
Do I completely agree with the current incarnation of the fastpass+ system? No. However, Disney has spent TONS of money on this new system and they’re not going to abandon it anytime soon. That means you need to learn to work with it – so if you think you’re just going to drop in – you’re probably not going to be able to utilize fastpasses, you’ll have to wait in the regular line with everybody else who wasn’t able to make a fastpass reservation for that attraction.
I see the paid fastpass approach as even less fair. A family trip to Disney is a significant financial investment. The idea that only the families with that much more disposable income get the opportunity to skip to the front of the line makes it feel so much less fair. This way every guest gets a chance to book in advance. It’s true that the spur-of-the-moment visitors don’t get that advance chance to book in advance, but that’s reasonable. If you don’t buy your plane ticket until the day of the flight, would you expect your choice of seats on the plane? The people who booked early got first crack at their seats. Of course, I’m not sure this is an issue with any fastpass attraction other than Anna & Elsa.
but the thing is the paid fast pass systems at parks like Universal and Six Flags actually works better since only a very few people end up paying for it.
But yeah the best thing to do would be to get rid of all fast passes. That would actually make it more fair and the lines would be significanly shorter for everyone.
You state how it isn’t fair that last minute park visitors don’t realistically get a shot at FP+ but then you say that you like the old system where it was first come first serve. A last minute visitor that doesn’t show up early will still be out of luck in the old system if times are all booked. For both systems, planning ahead always pays off.
First you say this…
“People who decide to go at the last minute to the park have almost no shot at doing it fairly.”
But then you say this…
“A FP is not a rite but a privilege, or atleast that’s the way it has always been.”
Which totally undermines your first sentence. Yeah, it’s not fair. It’s not a right, it’s a privilege.
Inbetween you say this…
“The old system was simple, you get there early and you get the FP, first come, first serve.”
Which isn’t “fair” either. What seems to have happened is that who benefits from the privilege has changed. Now, the privilege belongs to people staying on Disney property, who get first crack at FP+. Then annual pass holders, then people who show up on the day of without having done any planning. Whether or not that’s fair, you said it yourself: FP isn’t a right, it’s a privilege.
I’m glad you were finally able to meet Anna and Elsa! As a mom traveling to Disney from another country and only being able to visit one park I would have been crushed if this had happened to me. With characters that are so much in demand right now there should be options available. It would be nice to meet all the characters in all the parks. Our budget usually just allows for WDW and only for one day so that limits our chances a lot. Still we are die hard disney fans.
I love your update. We will be back in September (were there last Month and the lines in Epcot were insane- we warned the kids ahead of time that Elsa and Anna were too busy this time around)… I hope the kinks are worked out by September! We didn’t have one problem with any of our FP+ choices, other than we didn’t get to redeem some because the lines were so long, the parks were SWAMPED (spring break- never again!!)
The video of Snow White is wonderful. Oh, to be those kids getting to play with her…. I bet that was so magical for all of them!
It’s not only a great bit of crowd distraction, and giving Snow more equal-time, it’s perfectly in character, with Snow being more childlike–WDW needs more neutral-territory character fun like the Musical Chairs with Alice at Disneyland.
at least the glitch happened to you instead of someone there for just that day from out of state, also a good thing that it happened to you because you can report this on your website and get a quicker response due to your connection with media. the face characters look a little off to me, like they don’t look like sisters, Elsa looks like she is 30 and the hair looks like a cap and Anna just looks off in the face, as a kid you wont pick up this as long as the costume fits witch it does.
Thanks so much for posting this! We are coming down in September and as we could not wait with our 1 year old for four hours in December I was very excited to see how this played out. What a terrible thing to hear about the negative vibes on using ur clout. A main reason my husband and I, (both former cast members) love this site is that you always give it from the guests perspective! Thanks for showing Snow White too! I hear they do that at Disneyland a lot and its great to see it here.
On a side note we used the fast pass + system in December thru My magic experience and it worked flawlessly. The cast member at enchanted tales with belle even let us in early as had we waited my son would have surely fallen asleep
It will work out I Do think disney underestimated the frozen crowd again though
I wonder if the CMs would have been more accommodating had you been traveling with a little girl, instead of flying solo.
LOVE that Snow White was playing with the kids, what a magical moment!
I already hate fast pass plus and I haven’t used it. I hope they go back.
How can you hate it, then?
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In the defense of the cast members who helped you, they told you they couldn’t accept screenshots. You pressed for a reason why. Would, “Because we don’t,” have pacified you? If so, why were not satisfied with your initial answer? Forging fast past times would be ridiculously easy. They were apologetic and polite, but it is not their job to bend the rules for anyone. That’s above their paygrade.
Here’s my list I made of five things that I would love to see in theme parks and something that some theme park companies would and could do someday in the future based on my thoughts.
1. I would love if Cedar Fair (the owner of Knott’s Berry Farm) would someday think of building a new theme park in Florida.
2. I would love if Six Flags theme park would someday come to Florida.
3. I love if Universal or SeaWorld would get the attraction rights to an Anime character Hatsune Miku for their parks. And speaking of which by the way, in case you don’t know who is Hatsune Miku, she is a Japanese cartoon character who is pretty much a fictional female teenage pop singer and probably a mascot for a Vocaloid singing voice synthesizer brand developed by Yamaha Corporation in Japan since her debut in 2007 as part of the second Vocaloid line-up. And you don’t understand then here’s a link that you’ll learn what I mean :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatsune_Miku.
4. I would love if a new SeaWorld or Busch Gardens would come to Japan.
5. I would love to see if Disney’s Animal Kingdom would includes real bears in the future.
I know doubt it and don’t saw that happening, but what’s your opinion on those?
I do know who Miku is, and Japanese licensing is a nightmare, please keep to the topic.
By the way, what are you talking about by saying “Japanese licensing is a nightmare”?
Because Yamaha AND Crypton want money Disney doesn’t want to pay, and they don’t need Disney’s exposure to get it. That’s why a fan can’t get everything he dreams up.
It would be easier to find bears in Africa and Asia. 😉
Sounds like she way too expensive for theme park companies like Disney and Universal in our country, huh? And it would better if Miku would someday be appeared in Japanese theme parks like either Universal Studios Japan or Tokyo Disneyland, how’s that sound?
I know the fact bears lives in North America, Europe, and Asia, but not in Africa.
I don’t think a cast member would go out of there way to accuse a guest of anything here Ricky what happened was a misunderstanding. They can’t let you in just based on a picture. You must of taking the cast member’s words the wrong way. Also and to say who showed a tweet from 30 days ago? thats pulling the do you know who i am card. If you would have been a little less with the ego and a little more with manners maybe it would have been solved earlier. Don’t think because you run a big blog makes you entitled to anything. The system had a issues it was solved leave it at that. Stop accusing Cast Members Yes they make mistakes but don’t make up lies. Does not make it any easier
WOW. The blind faith you have in the CMs is almost comical! Gone are the days when people wanted to be CMs. For many it is now just a J.O.B. and they don’t have the same Disney way that most of them did in the past. On one hand they are human beings so I should grant them grace, but on the other hand they accepted a job at Disney World/land, supposedly the “happiest place on Earth” so they need to check their attitudes at the door or find a new job. I have experienced more rude CMs in the last 18 months than I ever have before. Something has clearly changed and it doesn’t make me want to spend my money on Disney. So, unless you were there I don’t really think you have a right to judge what happened and to insinuate that he used his “clout”, just makes you sound petty and jealous. With that…have a magical day!
I do have one question for you when you see the nice ones that do a good job and play there role in the show do you ever think to go to guest relations or a leader and report that they are doing an am amazing job. Sometimes little things like that can make a Cast Members day a little brighter. Sometimes as cast members we get yelled at everything that goes wrong. Example Try working your favorite holiday where your rather be at home with your family, but your stuck at work getting yelled at because the park phased closed and you politely say the park is closed due to capacity.
Back in the days when Skipper Ben was contributing, he emphasized that just giving a CM an official Guest Relations pat on the back once in a while does wonders–Not just psychologically, but they’re a little less anonymous with any supervisors who notice them.
Don’t shoot the FP+ handlers, they’re doing the best they can.
I was in the park yesterday when I heard a manager tell a group “Anyone could make up a screenshot”. I was floored, but after reading this article, it now seems to be the party line. I’ve also noticed that in the past couple weeks, the parks have been paranoid with people potentially gaming the system.
I really miss the old fast pass. Not only was it more fair when it came to first come first serve but u get better attractions in the end. Ex if i get toy story mania i can’t get fantasia. Also i use to have annual passes. A few times we would leave early cause we lost track of time or my kids were tired so we would wanna leave. So we would do kinda like a pay it forward. We saw a family at the end of the line who needed those amount of passes. We would just give it to them to make their time magical cause now something cool and random just happen to them. Made my day making some kids happy just giving them those passes. But besides that the glitches scare me as well.
Yeesh they both look like two men in drag! Three hours to wait for that?! No thanks!
First, get your eyes examined. Then, get your head examined.
That would be a better use of your precious time.
Great article – very thorough about your personal experience, but informative to the situation of FastPass+. I prefer these kinds of articles to just the normal “press release” articles. Personal touches are great!
Ricky, great post. The thing I am most impressed about is the way Disney not only got to the bottom of it but went out of their way to find you. I’ll be the first to admit I don’t like being the guinea pigs for FP+, but obviously the cast members are struggling with it as well. To have a team on standby, on a holiday and Sunday no less, is admirable. Several times, I have had a customer service failure in the Park, and every time castmembers have gone “above and beyond” to make it right. It’s the reason I keep coming back. Mistakes are going to happen; it’s what you do after the mistake that counts. And Disney is absolutely one of the best companies I have found to right a wrong. They are not perfect, but I haven’t found anyone any better.
The problem with FP+ is you have no way of proving you have a reservation when this happens. For 7 of our 9 park days our FP+ selections that I booked weeks before and never altered were not there when we tried to use them. I had to pull out the computer print out I made before we left home of all our FP+ selections because I feared this sort of thing. CMs also used the fraudulent word with me. I also brought with me proof of our park tickets, etc. which came in handy when we tried entering the park one day and they said we had no tickets. First day had to use the back up card to use our meal plan as they deactivated our bands for that. Had to get that fixed too. We really do NOT like this new system. No way to prove any of what you paid thousands for. We go every year and last trip was by far our worst most stressful experience. Just our experience with it.
You hit the nail on the head. At least with dining and hotel reservations, you get a confirmation number. Then if you are not in their system, you can produce that and they should be able to either look it up or at least acknowledge that you once had a reservation. With FastPass+, there is no such confirmation – just trust that the system will work. And when it fails, it seems the default response is “too bad.”
The last time I was at WDW was when I was 15 in 2001. I am going in November for my honeymoon. I remember really hating the old fast pass system as a kid because we had to run around and get fast passes to come back later. It could really split up our family. I would hate to have to do that on my honeymoon so I am very happy WDW has a new method. Yes it requires planning. But I’m fine with that.
Robyn — I think you’ll love it. I had a similar reaction as what you described. I hated having to run to kiosks to collect fast passes for everyone in my group, then constantly watching the clock so I knew when to go get more. All the while keeping up with everyone’s key cards and slips of paper. In that context, the new system is a breeze and ultra convenient.
I am very nervous about the “disappearing” fast passes on our upcoming trip. Only for Anna and Elsa – everything else, whatever happens, happens, but A & E are a planned highlight of the trip. I have already experienced the disappearing fastpasses once and spent an hour with IT getting them back. I do not want to talk to IT for an hour International Long Distance, and I do not want to spend over an hour of my time with Guest Services.
This is not a more relaxing planning experience, it is much more stressful!
(Please don’t take this as an “I hate” or “I love FP+” post I have not experienced it yet in the park. I am writing these concerns based on the experiences I have already had.)
Princess fairytale hall is the permanent location for anna and elsa, they will not be going back to Norway as they are not from Norway, Disney has even said they are not norwegian, just norway inspired landscapes. Plus Norway’s pavilion was not able to hold the lines, MK can handle the lines.
As for the fast pass bookings, you can always go to the FP+ kiosks before heading over to give evidence that it went through, and no screenshots will not be taken as proof as many people try to cheat the system by making fast passes, then screen shoting, then canceling to make more fast passes.
If I bring along a printout of all of my FP+ reservations as they are listed in MDE, would that work as proof in case if a glitch? Easy enough to add a printout to the backpack.
I brought a print out of all our FP+ selections on our trip. It did not help. That is when the CM used the “fraudulent” word and pulled us out of line. They have to see it on their computer screen to believe you. But, I would still recommend bringing a copy just in case. Any system that allows you no evidence or proof of a reservation is a system that is flawed IMHO.
I gotta say, I just spent 8 days in the parks, during spring break the week before Easter, and FP+ and MM+ worked pretty flawlessly for our family.
The glitch you described above was pretty awful, but the real takeaway for me is the way they worked to resolve it. It confirms for me that the customer service that WDW provides is what really separates them.
We had a frustrating snafu with our dining plan, and although I initially was given conflicting answers and various kinds of “no” from CMs as we tried to resolve it, ultimately they took care of us and made sure we were satisfied with the outcome. That’s what matters to me. Mistakes will happen, but Disney almost always goes the extra mile to fix it.
The new system sucks.
As an annual passholder, all I had to do was bring my annual pass, to get into the park. Now I need to bring my wristband, my golden discount card for parking, and my ID for them to check. You still can’t link your credit card info to the wristband (if you are annual pass).
I bring more things now, than what I use too.
And when dealing with “guest relations” I think Disney has REALLY gone down hill. Like, when trying to book BOMA the other day, and the cast member, didn’t know they had a restaurant called “Boma”.
I LOVE Disney. But that Boy Wizard, really starts to look good, after awhile.
If you don’t want to use the magic band and card etc then just use your annual pass card. You don’t have to use a magic band if you don’t want to. If you do want the magic band but hate the card, leave it in the car when you park if you aren’t planning on using discounts in the park.
“Until Disney can build something more permanent back in Epcot’s Norway.”
Do you know something we don’t?
Fastpass+ is a new technology. It’s nothing like the old fastpass system (despite continuing the name) and new technologies take time. Coming from someone who has worked fastpass+ kiosks in the parks I have heard every complaint there is to hear. Yes it’s complex and it will take time to make that leap in understanding for some people and some still won’t like it but its brand new so give it some time and let it work out the bugs
actually RFID tech is already outdated technology.
Here’s the thing its no longer in testing phase. When they completely removed the old system and made this the only way to do it its no longer testing. It’s live.
They could have taken more time to work out the bugs before it ever went live but they decided not to do that.
They are now stuck with a technology that is severiely limmiting.
I think good prof of making the reservation could be when you make your Fasspass+ make a video on a nother smart phone of you making your reservation to show to the cast member if it’s not working. They can’t say no to that.
I do think disney should do more of the natural meet and greats like with Snow White, another great way could be Gaston could walk around the tavern and shop instead of people just waiting in a line out side next to the fountain. Isn’t that what a theme park is all about, seeing characters in their world, cause they last time I looked characters don’t just stand their in a movie while people get in a line to tell them about things, they walk around. I loved the muppet mobile labs cause they had a guest to guest interaction in their natural habitat.
Stuff like that doesn’t work. Someone can easily make a video of themselves making a reservation and then changing it and re-record it making another reservation.
I think the REAL problem here is that Disney only has ONE meet and greet with the most popular characters in the park. Mickey Mouse is everywhere, yet Anna and Elsa, who still generate tons of $$$ to the park, can only be visited at the MK and only until 5pm.
Put them in ALL of the parks and have them there all day. Or continue to have disappointed guests on a daily basis.
So, even Animal Kingdom, then? 9_9
(Well, y’know, maybe with King Louie and Pocahontas, or Russell could be helping them with Wilderness Explorer badges.)
Oh, duh, of course–On Mt. Everest, with the Yeti! 🙂
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I’m really surprised at the initial response. With Disney’s reputation for customer service, and the reality that this is a new system, you’d think they’d err on the side of the customer to preserve their experience. Now, if they began to be inundated with people trying to scam them with fake screenshots, I’d understand. But, to let a few scammers slip through in order to protect the experience of people who made legitimate reservations seems like the smarter play from a customer service perspective.
It would have been a major problem for me, because since I’m a foreigner, I don’t take my phone to the park. How would they have contacted me?
I noticed in the article that you said you did not want to “upgrade” to iOS 7. I am with you 100%. I was accidentally tricked into upgrading based on some misinformation provided by an Apple Genius. Unfortunately there was no way to downgrade except buying a used iOS 6 iPhone on eBay. I am ashamed by Apple’s design choices in iOS 7 because there is no way that I could enjoy using my phone given their changes in the design. I am still able to run an earlier version of the My Disney Experience app that works with iOS 6. If you are interested I can try to send you the app package file for the version that I am running.
Was Ricky Flirting with Anna and Anna flirting back. 😀
Disney’s new Fastpass+ its actually brilliant compared to the old Fastpass system. You are guaranteed 3 Fastpasses, where you can customize the times to your convenience. THREE Fastpasses! Compared to the old system where you had to walk to the ride to be told to come back 5 hours from the time you were at the ride to begin with, there was no changing the time of the ride to accommodate your plans for the day. If you had the fastpass at 6:30 and dinner reservations at 6:30, well it was either dinner or your ride. Now you can pick and choose the times.
Oh did I forget to mention that the old system made you wait 2 hours in between your Fastpass selections? So you had to pick your Fastpasses wisely because you couldn’t make another decision for 2 hours. Where your next time would end up being for 9:00pm when its 1:00 in the after noon.
Now you are guaranteed 3 right off the bat. Then after that they just implemented another feature to it, where once you complete your original 3 Fastpass+es, you can continuously come back and fastpass one ride, RIGHT AFTER EACH OTHER! Which means, you want to go on Space Mountain and you have your Fastpass+ for 1:00. You can go on the ride at 1:00 and at 1:05 when you are off, you can Fastpass+ whatever ride of your choosing.
AND YOU CAN FASTPASS+ THE PARADE AND FIREWORKS NOW! WITH VIP SEATING!
AND did I forget to mention that you can do it on your phone with the My Disney Experience App? So you don’t have to wait until you get to the park. And even if you do buy your tickets in the morning spur the moment, they will still be able to customize your Fastpass+.
Disney has spent billions of dollars in this update. It is not going anywhere. They are still working out kinks and glitches. Its technology, it will never be perfect. It will experience problems, especially at the beginning.
Oh and by the way this is a COMPLETELY FREE SERVICE Disney provides to its guests. Everywhere else, you pay for it.
It might take getting some used to, but doesn’t every change that happens anywhere take some getting used to and learning.
I thought Anna and Elsa looked a bit…. too old. Not one child around me in line was particularly excited once they got close. In fact, one girl walked away saying, “Elsa isn’t pretty like in the movie. She looks like our babysitter.” Which, I was hoping none of the other children heard. But, they didn’t need to. Almost all the kids in line were whispering about it. Disney probably needs to recast for that part.
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