Acolyte was not that bad a 2nd series would have been better. Ashoka is one of best characters in star wars series 1 was great looking forward to series 2 hope will cross over to mando grogu movie
So… the fan base is toxic and sexist because they hated acolyte but they loved ashoka…. what does that make them?.it was terrible. That is why it was canceled. Ashoka was well done. That’s why it got another series..
The fan base didn’t love Ahsoka though. It was widely ridiculed for it’s terrible plot, horrifically choreograped fight scenes and making Thrawn look like a complete fool.
I have been a life long Star Wars fan as watching the first movie “A New Hope” when I was really little and was hooked then. It is ok to have strong female characters and to be “woke”. We are a gender neutral society, I have loved the new strong female leading characters. The creation of the characters Ray and Ashoka are great. I have a daughter who is going to be going out in the world soon and it was inspiring to see these characters as they promoted a strong presence for woman. My daughter is as well a huge fan of the franchise as well. We need to get behind a more neutral gender society as woman have a right to lead as well, woman have always had a place in society not just as our subservient partners but our equals. The show Ashoka was done very well and we both enjoyed immensely and are impatiently awaiting the next season.
Why are you lying about what they said? The author specifically pointed out the toxicity and sexism of the part of the fan base that complained that the show was woke – which is what they say whenever a show stars a woman or a woman of color, or features LGBTQ people or characters. They complained that the showrunner was a lesbian. They were making these complaints before anyone had seen even a word of the writing!
THIS IS BIGOTRY. And it has literally nothing to do with the writing.
Stop pretending that the extremist bigots are the victims.
It’s weird how you make a show for a series that has a fanbase of white male nerds, then proceed to mock and insult these people, and wonder why your show flops.
As a long loyal fan of all star wars I believe the cancelation of the acolyte because of a few trolls almost criminal. I loved Ashoka and am looking forward to the second season. I am asking the powers that be to stop letting trolls a ND haters dictate how Star Wars is made, what characters are there and what stories are shown. There are many more like me who love Star Wars and are looking forward to more of the great stories that we have followed in book a and movies for so many years.
You’re the trolls. Go look at the numbers. Less and less people watched each episode because it was garbage. You can call the majority of people trolls if you want (even though it doesn’t make sense), but it doesn’t change the fact that you’re just coping and simping
Stop making excuses for a crappy series by blaming it on a toxic fan base. It’s toxic production. Enough is enough. In decades past, it was absolute lunacy to blame the consumer for a product that wasn’t selling well. The company would go back to the drawing board and come up with something better. Not in this generation, though. “You’re all toxic and wrong, and our content is perfect, so we’re going to keep releasing things with the same problems and we’re going to keep blaming the toxic fan base every time it goes south for us…” Lmao get outta here.
Nicely said…its not a”woke” or toxic fan situation, its the poor production. They serve us crap and expect us to eat it then blame us for not eating it. Which is a shame because the actors were great, they just put them in a poor story.
AMEN!!!! I’m so soo tired of them saying we’re a toxic fan base when their content just straight up stinks!!! I’m so sick of them trying to shame the population into feeling bad for their opinions and not giving them their business because their content is garbage and if they want to sell it, they need to be aware of what we want. Not the other way around!
Disney Star Wars is horrific because of the incompetent people creating such worthless crap and not because self righteous fools defend such horribly made content.
Go away “Robb”
If you hate it so much, why are you here reading this article and commenting? I would surmise its because there is nothing in your life worth living for so rather than take the cowards way out, you instead farm articles that you can troll to give your life some semblance of vigor or purpose.
The show was watched by barely anyone and was unintentionally hilarious it was that bad.
There’s a reason SW is essentially a dead franchise on life support and it’s putting out garbage like TA.
Disney in a decade have managed to produce a handful of objectively good projects with the rest being ideologically driven nonsense that has nothing to do with SW.
Nicely said…its not a”woke” or toxic fan situation, its the poor production. They serve us crap and expect us to eat it then blame us for not eating it. Which is a shame because the actors were great, they just put them in a poor story.
Lmao a few trolls got the Acolyte canceled. Wow! That’s the dumbest statement today. You see, the Acolyte lost millions of dollars and had so low a viewership that it couldn’t stay in the top 25 of the ratings is why it was canceled. No, it was the few fans that watched it, and not the majority, is why that garbage show failed. But, you keep believing that only a small group of trolls caused it’s downfall, when in fact it was millions.
The fan base isn’t toxic, nor is it sexist. It’s just tired of being fed garbage. And let’s be honest, the sequel trilogy was terribly written garbage that paid no respect to the original characters or vision of Lucas. Since then, Disney’s had some hits and misses; more misses than not unfortunately. The “toxic, sexist” fanbase WANTS Disney to give us great Star Wars. It’s just more concerned with agenda than powerful storytelling.
I think that some people are too hard or exact about a series and the concept. I enjoy ALL of the stories and characters at face value. There will always be those who want to nit pick about casting, performances and all, but where else can you get the continuity of the studio that created the concept in the first place. Don’t be so critical and demanding and just enjoy the different stories and situations and be grateful for the opportunity to view more of the Star Wars saga with all of the elements that have intrigued us from the beginning.
Disney and Lucasfilm need to worry less about a “few trolls” and focus more about writing a show that “a few million” more people want to watch. And not just once, but a show they want to watch on, repeat and stands the test of time.
Where do you get off saying it was cancelled because of a few trolls? Wake up and learn to face facts. A few trolls can NEVER cancel a series that’s loved and well recieved by the general audience. The Acolyte was pure garbage and nobody cared to see it and this is fact. Ahsoka was trash as well and it suffered from low viewrs as well. Mando was loved by the fandom and they wanted more till they wokified season three and ruined it. I’ve been a hardcore fan since SW first came out yet almost everything Disney has made has been pure garbage.
It’s not trolls you unintelligent person. Go look at the numbers. They canceled it based on the fact that people didn’t like it so they didn’t keep watching it.
YOU are the problem, giving these pathetic excuses and blaming the majority of fans because they don’t like garbage. Name calling and insulting the fan base has become very common for Disney and it’s actors. I don’t know how this goes over your head, but that’s a recipe for losing money and viewers.
A few trolls? Yesssss, that’s it. Nothing to do with dismal plotting, ludicrous dialogue, horrible acting then? The trolls, whom apparently make up the substance of the fanbase according to the uncritical, actually watched this mediocre offering and still the viewing figures were laughable. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
Let me get this strait……SW fandom didn’t like Acolyte because it was female-centric, but Ahsoka is popular because it isn’t?? How about NOTHING from Acolyte followed SW canon, and was poorly written, but that doesn’t fit the narrative you want to portray about SW fandom. Pathetic.
Yeah I’m not sure how the whole female-centric thing works if Ashoka was successful and Acolyte wasn’t. I mean was the story about a female lead? Hmmm. Not getting it. When you lay claim to that reasoning it should be across the board. Not just one series. Acolyte to me was like when the very very first Star Wars movie was released. We had no back story, a brand new story line none of us knew anything about. We didn’t have any knowledge of what Jedi were or Darths were. We had to learn all this. Acolyte is the same to me. We pick up a story in mid stride. Needing to learn backstories and character histories. I feel most SW fans seem to try to tie everything into the existing story arc. But remember it is the SW Universe. Meaning other stories, characters, events were occurring all the while our SW story arc was happening. Fresh new SW stories need to begin somewhere. I’m good with seeing these stories develop without limiting my brain to just our typical story arc. Look at the SW Universe as that, a Universe and not a City-verse.
“I’m not sure how the whole female-centric thing works if Ashoka was successful and Acolyte wasn’t. I mean was the story about a female lead?”
Acolyte: Was it about the Night Sisters? Not really. Was it focused directly on Osha? Sort of? Sol was the other “female” focus…except he wasn’t female. Mae was another focus. Female. And HER teacher, Qimir, didn’t look female to me. Sure, Indara counts as a female. However, the series doesn’t seem as “female heavy” as those claiming it to be “Woke” would have you believe. The main focus was on Osha…with Sol as close secondary focus.
Ahsoka: Ahsoka & Sabine are the main cast. They’re females. Grand Admiral Thrawn? He seems male to me. Same with Ezra. Of course, the focus was definitely on Sabine & Ahsoka. Both are females, by the way.
This is correct, the acolyte failed because of its terrible written, Ashoka what female female centric but was much better. The characters were a lot better and the plot didn’t depend on poor communication.
The main problem was it was badly written, acted and directed. There were whole episodes where nothing really happened. Edit the whole boring mess down to 2 1/2 hours and it might have been popular.
I agree. Yes, wokeism did play a part. And stop saying it’s because of sexist bigots. No it’s because we want entertainment to escape reality, not preach at us continuously. We know we need to tolerant of others. We accept that and are. But don’t expect us to use that message as entertainment! We know we should spell correctly when making our resume, but we don’t go buy a dictionary for bedtime reading. Stop labeling others who don’t want moral sermons to be our entertainment. But a deeper issue… It was poorly written. Do better Disney! Stop making excuses for poor content by insulting your fan base. Otherwise you might need to put out resumes yourself when no one watches your “moraltainment” anymore.
The Acolyte was cancelled because it was a miniseries that cost $230 million to make BEFORE POST PRODUCTION!!
I thought it was awesome, the best SW TV since Mando S1. Yet when I heard that price tag I can understand why we never will get a second season.
Also anyone who says Acolyte broke canon either doesn’t know the first thing about Star Wars lore or is just fishing for excuses and parroting something they heard someone else say.
Jedi Masters bumbling around like idiots, forcing themselves on on populations, assassinated by amateurs.
Padawans telling Masters what to do.
That’s just the tip of the bad writing.
Pissed that they allowed idiot fans influence their decisions to cancel acolyte. I thought it was better than all the other shows. Mandalorian is slow and boring that Boba felt thing was garbage, Obi-Wan could’ve and should’ve been way better. The bad batch has always been awesome. I’m on the deuce with ahsoka
I disagree that the Mandalorian is slow and boring, but besides that, you’re right. It’s better than all those shows. You know what is slow and boring though? Andor.
Disney has made a bunch of mistakes. They had a great thing with The Mando verse series, but got greedy and shot themselves in the foot when they decided to take it to the movie screen. Mandalorian singlehandedly put Disney+ on the map, as well as the spin off shows. Now they’re trying to use Mandalorian to shore up their poor movie reputation, hurting the streaming service and probably providing little benefit to the movie reputation. There should have been a Mando season 4. Boba Fett needs some more screen time. There should have been an “Heir to the Empire” movie trilogy. But Disney doesn’t understand Star Wars.
As far as the Acolyte, I quit taking it seriously when they killed the Carrie-Ann Moss character in episode one.
The failure of Acolyte had nothing to do with it being “female-centric”.
Star Wars fans, those of us who saw the original in theaters, are the reason the genre was ever a success. We went to see it again and again. We wanted the posters, the toys, the Burger King Fun Meals, etc. We raised children and grandchildren to love it.
Today, we are the ones spending big money on lightsabers, helmets, and model kits.
When the producers of Acolyte told us to go away, this program wasn’t meant for us, we were torn. Many did just that. I gave it a shot, and a minute into it, I regretted doing so. I got through three episodes and shit it off. Canceled Disney. Will likely never spend another dime on anything Star Wars.
Most of the Star Wars work Disney has done has been horrible. Mando was good. Ashoka was good. Bad Batch was entertaining. The movies? Horrible. Rouge One was OK.
Sell the franchise back to Lucas. You have destroyed a beloved piece of our lifetimes
“The force is female” production teams are so intrenched now nothing decent will ever come out of LucasFilm until the agenda driven man haters are replaced with real creatives whose goal is traditional non-PC adventure filmmaking.
Acolyte was horrible and deserved cancelation! Shane on Disney for tacking on cliff hangers after seeing how poorly received it was! Iger has no idea of what it is to be a visionary like Walt and Michael Eisner who saved Disney from extinction. Igers response to making shit Star Wars and Marvel content is to make less of it and suffer fewer loses which is a business person decision not a visionary decision. The correct response is to produce better content not less! His finger is not on the pulse of the fan base as this article implies he’s making decision based on negative feedback. Ashoka has no business getting a 2nd season after the first was horrible. He’s basing the decision on watch hours and not listening to fans. If he were he’d know how fans loved the best series other than mamdalorian which was Andor. This show is easily the best Star Wars content produced in Disneys horrible grip. He’s also failing the MCU That started to tank with not only the explosion and poorly handled multiverse, but his failure of putting back to back new introductions of way too many new character with Shang Chi and the DC bad Eternals! Trying to introduce comic book to movie lovers. He failed to hear fans praise of the best Marvel show She Hulk! He failed to listen to his own employees with Kenobi (other than Mando-which is going diwnhill, and Andor Kenobi is what fans enjoyed. Jon Favareau should be in charge of both Marvel and Star Wars. He should instantly replace Kathleen Kennedy and Kevin Feige (both are content bankrupt) Favareau has his finger on the pulse of both major IP’s. Something so obvious a visionary would have put him at the helm after he kicked off the MCU. Iger is done and if a Visionary isn’t the next ceo of the Disney Empire Universal will eclipse their theme park meal ticket for at least the next 5 years and perhaps never look back. Iger did business fine, but he’s no Jim Henson, George Lucas, and not even in the same brain space as Favareau and Eisner. They ran Eisner out for making too much money, but that was the deal they cut and Eisner made a small fortune but Disney reaped a much bigger piece of the rewatd!!!!!! Shame on Roy Jr. ultimately he was the problem.
I hate that people say acolyte failed because it has a female lead. That is not why it failed, it failed because Disney would rather focus on pushing their agenda then writing good show. Ashoka is good and has strong female characters. I liked the new series of star wars and had absolutely no problem with a female lead with force awakens I was excited to see the next installment. It wasn’t until they reduced Luke Skywaker to a has been hero saying things like laser swords and gave him such an unwittingly and abrupt end, that I thought WTF? I dont care if you want female leads and a more culturally diverse cast just dont sacrifice the story and dont reduce the already established heroes to put it out there. Write a good story with strong characters and make it something people give a damn about, then you won’t have to use an excuse it’s because the hero is female or the hero is black or what not. Look at Samuel L Jackson very few are complaining that Nick Fury is suddenly black and the reason is because he brings a good energy and respect to the role.
I still resent the group of people calling everything “woke” after they hijacked the word and ruined it’s original meaning. They attacked The Acolyte when they saw the cast list and had no clue what the story would be about. This is the safer bet for female/POC led shows.
I believe the article is correct about “the studio is putting too much control in the toxic fanbase” — due to the fact that I, too, was going to bring up. When reviews over a series being total garbage and “Woke” happens BEFORE that series aired, you know that people aren’t really watching it.
The marketing team really killed Acolyte, Agatha All Along, and any others that they focused on the Woke aspects (in the advertisement). It also didn’t help that these were advertised during the USA 2024 presidential election times (which actually had heterosexual Christian white male supremacy forcing their views since April 2024). All social media talked about was anti-Woke propaganda and Disney pushing a Woke agenda.
Acolyte failed for a variety of reasons. Not based on story (it was actually a decent story). Not based on the choreography (also good). Sure, they could have trimmed it down — rather than stretching out areas that didn’t need to be there. However, people are influenced into liking something based on what media and (especially) social media tells them.
Social media telling people to dislike Acolyte. Disney advertising it as “Woke” (which it really wasn’t). And people like me (who didn’t watch it until a couple months later). THAT is why the series failed. Same with Agatha All Along. I was excited for Billy’s story (and MCU heading towards Young Avengers)! Had I known that wasting my money could have saved those…
…Actually — it wouldn’t have helped. The other two aspects (social media & Disney’s advertising making those series out to be something that they weren’t). It wasn’t the “toxic fans” directly. It was the so-called fans that don’t care for anything that isn’t directly nostalgic or anything that seems like it goes against their personal views of the bible.
If Disney didn’t shove Woke-ism on us since 2021, people might have actually watched their content without being pre-biased against it.
“people like me (who didn’t watch it until a couple months later).” & “Had I known that wasting my money could have saved”
I paid for a one-year subscription of Brit Box. Since Disney acquired the rights to Doctor Who, I wanted to show a couple people the entire Whoniverse (whatever I could get on streaming, that is). So I paid for Brit Box. I’m hoping to cancel it after my time is up.
The same people also watch Star Wars & MCU with me. So, of COURSE I wanted to wait to watch those after we finished the Brit Box stuff.
When Dinsey+ was making their content disappear, I wanted to make sure I saw any content that they would have on their chopping block. And those two were getting hit with negative reviews about the shows (even before those series aired).
That’s why I watched those series when I did. I couldn’t on release dates, due to Brit Box commitments. No one told me that Disney cancels anything that doesn’t make them instant money on day one of release!
Nah…..the casting wasn’t the issue. But you’d have to pull your head out of your ass and actually watch it to realize how completely trash it was.. writing….trash….acting….trash….directing….trash.
I watched every episode, and The Acolyte failed, not because of review bombing, but because it was a poor show. The misguided attempt to make Qimir sympathetic and the Jedi corrupt villains – was ethically upside-down and immoral. They should never let weirdos like Leslye Headland create SW content!
If I had watch Acolyte week to week, I probably would have hated it too. Binge watching it all together was much more enjoyable.. Wasn’t the greatest show, but far from the disaster people made it out to be.
There is no such thing as Toxic Fandom, that was made up by Disney to cope with their incompetent handling of the media they own & the stupid decisions of idiots like Kathleen Kennedy, who cares only for her personal legacy not that witch she swore to protect. She drove a wedge into the fans with The Last Jedi (TLJ) after a not so brilliant but promise showing TFA then went onto give the fans nothing they wanted & turn one of Disney’s only boy brands into a Femalesentric brand but somehow not even for females! Her decisions to inject Woke & modern ideas again & again only drove True Star Wars fans away from Disney Star Wars! Where a little light shone, The Mandalorian S1&S2 was firmly stamped on in S3. Andor was good if you could bare to watch it all the way through, badly edited & tedious in places. As for Ashoka not good. The Acolyte Terrible. This is not Star Wars! Rogue One is the only half decent movie, The Force Awakens left me & my friend disappointed but feeling it was at least a start of something that could be better. Unfortunately it wasn’t!
“This begs the question of whether the studio is putting too much control in the toxic fanbase that arguably hugely contributed to the cancellation of The Acolyte.”
This writer is a hack.
Clearly out of touch, paid in part or full by Kathleen Kennedy, and clueless about how consumerism works. If the fans say “no” then it’s no. Insulting them and calling them names speaks to the lack of impartiality of this author and this propaganda website.
Sadly alot of the failed projects have shown poor planning, not doing some backstory research to ensure canon continuity and worrying about hitting unnecessary social flags…..when it sticks to space opera with well conceived plot and action insertions SW thrives
Good ridance. The “few toxic fanbase” is honestly the largest group of people that want star wars to be good. We are tired of trash shows like ahsoka, obi wan, and acolyte. Look, dont get me wrong, I would love a good show about any of those, but good, those were not.
The best Star Wars series for me, is Andor. It’s mature and well written.
I understand that Star Wars attracts a young following, and all the other series in the Star Wars sage cater for this.
But Ahsoka aside, can we have more like Andor!
For us who were teenagers at the beginning of the saga in 1977, Andor represents a mature growth to a fully adult following.
My advice to Disney is quit worrying about making the trans,gays,and the rest of the woke community happy and just make movies. Walt Disney is probably rolling in his grave right now on what this family business has become.
Way to call the fan base toxic, just because it doesn’t like what your producing. Acolyte aside from a cool lightsaber fight was poorly written. That why people didn’t like it.
Disney is trying to promote their political agenda through their products and their fans don’t like it.
They need to concentrate and well written stories that follows the already established canon.
Example: Darth Vader had an incredible experience bleeding his light saber and he was a very strong forcewielder. Kylo cracked his when attempting to bleed his and he was already a strong force wielder. The girl from the acolyte bleeds hers practically without any effort and she’s no where near adept at using the force as Kylo.
I liked The Acolyte and I’d very much like to see the conclusion to that story. If your complaint against a show is “it’s woke”, maybe just don’t watch and let others enjoy things. If the writers fear being cancelled by a bunch of reddit trolls, it’s going to affect your favorite white male centric show too.
I had the feeling The Acolyte could potentially be real interesting and I was eager to see where a second season would be headed towards…I think it had potential. Ashoka on the other hand was very bad written, the story was so weak, she was the most powerful almost Jedi in the war of the clones…and in the tv series she looks like ..an idiot. That said, I think to make star wars great again Disney guys definitely need a great writer with stories that make sense with a common storyline
Stop making excuses for a crappy series by blaming it on a toxic fan base. It’s toxic production. Enough is enough. In decades past, it was absolute lunacy to blame the consumer for a product that wasn’t selling well. The company would go back to the drawing board and come up with something better. Not in this generation, though. “You’re all toxic and wrong, and our content is perfect, so we’re going to keep releasing things with the same problems and we’re going to keep blaming the toxic fan base every time it goes south for us…” Lmao get outta here.
As an original fan, Just let Feloni take over. He has the knowledge(basically blessed by Lucas) to continue.
He’s the key. Everything he has done has had success. All the others, not so much. Doesn’t matter the characters gender, color or what world they’re from. He has the mindset for a better SWU.
The sequel trilogy would’ve been a hell of a lot more successful if Dave and Jon Favaro did the work. I accepted them but there was so much that irritated the crap out of me.
“They fly now??”….gives me nightmares
So long as Kathleen Kennedy is there at Disney the content will continue to be woke pieces of garbage. Mando was the one bright spot for a while but notice it hasn’t gotten much love or attention that’s because it wasn’t woke enough.
The acolyte was terrible. Badder than the last Jedi and that’s a high bar to hurdle.
With the recent rejection socially of wokism Disney needs to do itself a favor and fire Kennedy and then we can move on and remake the terrible sequel trilogy into something better. But unfortunately I think this patient is terminal and all but the Mando is pretty much dead.
Blaming the fan base instead of introspectively looking at what may have been wrong with the project is insulting to those of us that were really looking forward to The Acolyte but disliked it because it just wasn’t good. I couldn’t make it past the third episode. I really wanted to enjoy it to some extent for all of the hate it had gotten. Like many SW fans, Boba Fett is my favorite fringe character in the SW universe and I really disliked The Book of Boba Fett for the same reason. The story and writing were not interesting and in many instances spit in the face of everything that existed already. Similar to how The Last Jedi may have been a good movie but was a terrible SW movie. You can’t just make a movie and slap the title SW on it to make a SW movie. It has to live in the universe where the story is consistent with everything made before it.
I agree wholeheartedly. I was really looking forward to The Acolyte, but the story and storytelling was a huge let down. The visuals were excellent, but the acting of the main actress was worse than a Hallmark Christmas movie. There was no real emotion portrayed, and sje seemed to lack motivation for the character.
Star Wars is dead.Mark Hamill killed it along with Disney.Mark stated that if fans are MAGA/Republican ‘We’ can go force ourselves.Then after James Earl Jones passed (rip)He stated Miss you dad with a broken heart emoji.Hypocritical Mark Hamill,didn’t He know that James Earl Jones was a lifelong member of the Republican Party? Wonder if James Earl Jones saw Marks post about MAGA/Republicans CAN go force themselves,before He passed.It’s sad Mark Hamill doesn’t appreciate the fans,that helpe make him a star,and rich & famous.And sad,he disrespected James Earl Jones before his passing.Star Wars is dead for me,Mark Hamill finished burying it.
Wow someone’s making this about politics when it just boils down to just terrible story telling. Lol. It’s too bad we’ll never know but I wonder what everybody would be saying if Disney went with George Lucas’s original 7, 8 and 9 prequel trilogy!¿ O well.
They cancel the two best shows they had between Ahsoka and The mandalorian? I’m so over this Woke bs. Disney will end up like MSNBC with dwindling ratings. Cancel Kathy Kennedy. Maybe Elon Musk will buy them also…
The Acolyte was absolutely awful and it had nothing to do with the politics of it. The writing and dialogue was sloppy and the whole plot was quite frankly boring and predictable. Star wars fans didn’t like it because it didn’t respect the 50 year old accumulated story and this article is blatant rage bait to antagonise ardent fans of a fading cultural masterpiece.
I love Ashoka. She’s become one of my favorite characters. Honestly I tried to like the Akolyte but I don’t think the series was well written. I hope Ashoka continues and maybe in the future some other writers can take a crack at the Akolyte.
Imo the “toxic fandom” doesn’t need control when there is already a ton of amazing source material in Legends (that apparently doesn’t exist according to Kennedy). Also in my opinion if a story is good enough there wouldn’t be backlash. The Acolyte was so boring! What in that series could possibly have cost 230 million dollars? The main actress had the same facial expression throughout the whole show. The Acolyte was obviously a huge L for Disney, otherwise they would have greenlit a second season.
Daisy Ridley is an amazing actress. With having some of the worst luck having to act for some of the worst writing in history. Not just in Star Wars history either.
People immediately start screaming that the fan base is complaining about the wokeness of these series when I really do not think that is the actual issue. I am a life long fan of star wars and I can tell you as a matter of fact that yes I’ve had issues with some of the series and the prequel trilogy and it had absolutely nothing to do with being it being “woke”. My issue is simple. Stop bring politics into star wars. Leave it alone. Stop trying to make everything about some message or ideal and just let us enjoy Star Wars f v or what it is.
Star Wars was always about politics… the Original Trilogy was an exposé on the Vietnam War, with the Empire actually representing the actions of the US in that conflict…
Look. I never watched the Acolyte. But I know that it received heavy criticism. From the previews I saw. I wasn’t interested. Osaka I’ve only seen two episodes. My all time personal favorite was world between worlds with Hayden Christensen. Other then that …..im truly not interested. Kennedy and her crew have run Star Wars down Into the ground. Star Wars was ment to be about Anakin Skywalker, and Luke and Liea and their dependents. NOT made up Skywalkers. So im pretty much done.
The acolyte was the worst thing to happen to star wars since the star wars holiday special. Ahsoka was solid gold. The two are incomparable. If Disney is defensive about Ahsoka, it only shows they have learned nothing. Ahsoka was not woke, it was a great story. The acolyte was the worst piece of garbage writing created in over 20 years. It deserves every razzie it can get.
Calling the fan base “toxic” in a news report targetted for Star Wars fans is WILD. Also, The Acolyte wasn’t hated because it was pushing a female-centric narrative. After all, so was Ahsoka and that was not hated nearly as much. It was also not because it was “woke”. It was simply hated because it was bad. It had poor acting, poor storytelling, poor conclusions to each episode, etc. Disney’s use of modern phrases and sayings in the real world seemed forced and out of touch with the whole idea of Star Wars being a completely different universe. The series could have been so good if the plot was fleshed out better and they hired actors who could actually show emotion. The main character was especially unconvincing and seemed to lack true motivation. What also made the show worse, much like this article, were the continued insults and assumptions from the creators against the fan base.
I think Disney is wise to make Star Wars shows have a satisfying conclusion if they do get cancelled prematurely. Honestly, I think every show should do that because it’s never certain when or why something may get cancelled.
Look forward to Star Wars ending completely as a franchise due to Disney being broken up under antitrust and Uncle Sam handing Lucasfilm back to George’s family who will do nothing with it but collect royalty checks. It’s time to close the book on Star Wars and end the story entirely. No more new movies, no more new shows, no more nothing. That also means no more Star Wars in the parks due to billions in licensing fees. No one will miss Star Wars in the Disney parks.
Poor directing in the Acolyte, not in the characters. Asoka is the best of the Star Wars universe and Dave Filoni should direct all Star Wars projects. He has been a formidable Padawan to George Lucas.
Hey, if you wanna be taken seriously as a journalist then learn what “begging the question” means. Hint: it doesn’t mean “suggests” or “raises the question.”
There has been plenty of entertaining SW content including Mando, Boba Fett, Ahsoka, Obi-wan, Andor…Acolyte did miss the mark, but I’ve truly enjoyed every other series..Disney didn’t cancel anything due to some fans complaining people, it’s all about what was profitable and what wasnt.
In my humble opinion, the biggest mistake they’ve made so far is putting 3 years between Mando season 3 and a film replacing season 4. I’m sure myself and millions of other fans would have preferred to have a Mando season 4 this year instead of The Acolyte etc.
The acolyte being killed off by a toxic fan base is ridiculous. The fact that the acolyte had a huge rating the first couple episodes should tell you that’s a lie. The fans were hungry for more star wars, it’s not until we saw what we were getting the fans started to pull away from it, some of us like myself hung around to the end waiting for it to get better and we’re still disappointed. People like what they like and the vast majority, even the few that stuck it out, were just not happy with it.
It was because toxic fan base… sure. Maybe turning a kids franchise into a hurray for alien lesbians was a toxic writers room pushing social agendas that a reasonable fan base rejected. Disney paid a huge amount of money to get the Marvel universe…. and the Star Wars universe…. and they cannot seem figure out how to not destroy them.
So it’s the “toxic” fan base’s fault? No, the shows have mostly been different variations of crap. Disney’s woke agenda has completely ruined these shows and movies, they’re more concerned with making headlines than they are with what the fans want. The same fans that made Star Wars a money factory to begin with.
Everyone has a right to their opinion. I have friends who loved the Acolyte, though I didn’t care for it. Toxic comes in when folks are demeaned for their opinions. I did not like the Acolyte and I can relate the reasons why. But my friend can relate why they liked it. I would never call them names or say they are woke or any of that. We are still friends and there are more important things in the world. Yes there are some Toxic fans. BTW I do not like the direction of Lucas films. I think there are to many cooks in the Kitchen. George was the only cook and things got done. Now I have a problem with every Star Wars film ever made, but I can suspend that part of my brain to enjoy the film. Death Star, always thought that was a joke.
The signs have been there for a while, they’re getting clearer and more frequent. Selling SW to Disney was the dumbest move ever. Disney creative teams aim at children and treat them like welll…little naive children. New SW content needs to be created for adults not children. Children will keep up with more adult styles believe me. I’m not saying R rated here I’m saying deeper characters, richer story, more complex scripts, darker tones, more realism in themes & behaviours. I could not finish The Acolyte it was so bad and I’ve lost interest in future projects. There is no future for SW while its with Disney.
All that I can say is, I was a huge huge fan of the legends for his books or what’s referred to as the legends verse now anyway that being said, I’ve always hated the new storyline however in recent years, I’ve come around and I’ve grown to love it, even though I hate what they did to Skywalker’s and solos in this new storyline, I I really liked rebels and am liking Asoka I’m liking so far what they’ve done in Obi-Wan Kenobi story I’ve liked Mandalorian a lot too, and have loved the idea of the new movies that are coming out despite that I’m not a huge fan of the race Skywalker story it’s grown on me just because I have no choice is a little bit to do with it, but I have liked it a little bit. The first two movies were horrible the third movie the rise of Skywalker actually did grow on me a lot despite the fact that they screwed up the Skywalker solo clan and they’re storyline I still like it now the new version has grown on me and I really hope they do not cancel Asoka because that has grown on the most along with Mandalorian if they cancel it, I will be just as peeved off and pissed as when they canceled the old cannon and decided not to do the sort of the Jedi trilogy that I waited for 12 years of reading to finally read and then it didn’t happen. I’ll be just as pissed as that as I was when that happened so please don’t cancel Asoka! Please don’t do iit! Or you will lose this fan forever and that’s a fact at least this one fan and I’m sure you’ll lose others, but please don’t do it!
The Acolyte was one of the best series they made so far. They have all been good, but Acolyte was really setting the pace for a movie. Never once did i watch that show and think there was some sort of agenda, it was just another good Star Wars show. Real fans enjoyed it.
Woke is literally just the word bigots use when they’re upset straight White men aren’t being portrayed as the saviors of Black/Brown people, women, and gays. It’s their more “polite” way to announce how abhorrent they are. Shame on Disney for folding to hate.
Been a fan of Star Wars since I was I little kid when the first movie came out. Ahsoka is a decent series about an amazing character (with great supporting characters too). Only caveat is that you really need to have watched Rebels to appreciate the show. Ideally The Clone Wars too. I’m looking forward to season 2. I think all of the Disney shows have been at least decent, and some are great (Andor!!!). BUT… I watched part of Acolyte and stopped early on. It was absolutely horrible and despite trying hard, I can’t find even one positive thing to say about it. I don’t know about all of this “woke” stuff that I keep hearing about, but the show is just plain awful in my opinion. It should go the way of the Star Wars Holiday Special back in the late 70’s.
I didn’t have a problem with the female-centric theme in The Acolyte. It was about the Nightsisters so naturally, they’re going to be women. I binged the first season recently and I thought it was okay. I don’t get into deep analysis of plots or actor performance, I just think about whether or not I was entertained. I found it entertaining, so I would have been okay with a second season. Many people who are more well-versed in plot analysis and such would probably disagree with me and that’s fine.
I Quite liked the Acolyte, The story gave a good insight into the power of the Force not only shared and practiced by Jedi & Sith. Which is really the guts of the whole saga,and also leads upto in time Darth Plagus the Wise.
The acolyte was canceled because it was awful , stop with the excuses. The fan base loves female characters and ahsoka has been a fan favorite for years. Black series has just come out with pre-orders for shak ti and luminara unduli and have been snapped up… we love female characters we hate awful writing , plot holes and retcons of beloved characters. So come off the hating women and minorities bullsh*t.
Comments for ‘Star Wars’ Show Canceled, Future of ‘Ahsoka’ Now Changed Forever: Report
Yodadave
Acolyte was not that bad a 2nd series would have been better. Ashoka is one of best characters in star wars series 1 was great looking forward to series 2 hope will cross over to mando grogu movie
Me
So… the fan base is toxic and sexist because they hated acolyte but they loved ashoka…. what does that make them?.it was terrible. That is why it was canceled. Ashoka was well done. That’s why it got another series..
Lewis
The fan base didn’t love Ahsoka though. It was widely ridiculed for it’s terrible plot, horrifically choreograped fight scenes and making Thrawn look like a complete fool.
The only good thing about it was Ray Stevenson
Steve
So true…
Norman
I have been a life long Star Wars fan as watching the first movie “A New Hope” when I was really little and was hooked then. It is ok to have strong female characters and to be “woke”. We are a gender neutral society, I have loved the new strong female leading characters. The creation of the characters Ray and Ashoka are great. I have a daughter who is going to be going out in the world soon and it was inspiring to see these characters as they promoted a strong presence for woman. My daughter is as well a huge fan of the franchise as well. We need to get behind a more neutral gender society as woman have a right to lead as well, woman have always had a place in society not just as our subservient partners but our equals. The show Ashoka was done very well and we both enjoyed immensely and are impatiently awaiting the next season.
davidhhh
Why are you lying about what they said? The author specifically pointed out the toxicity and sexism of the part of the fan base that complained that the show was woke – which is what they say whenever a show stars a woman or a woman of color, or features LGBTQ people or characters. They complained that the showrunner was a lesbian. They were making these complaints before anyone had seen even a word of the writing!
THIS IS BIGOTRY. And it has literally nothing to do with the writing.
Stop pretending that the extremist bigots are the victims.
Tim Q.
It’s weird how you make a show for a series that has a fanbase of white male nerds, then proceed to mock and insult these people, and wonder why your show flops.
Be less racist.
Chazatl
Acolyte WASnt that bad it was worse.
Dearldean Hall
As a long loyal fan of all star wars I believe the cancelation of the acolyte because of a few trolls almost criminal. I loved Ashoka and am looking forward to the second season. I am asking the powers that be to stop letting trolls a ND haters dictate how Star Wars is made, what characters are there and what stories are shown. There are many more like me who love Star Wars and are looking forward to more of the great stories that we have followed in book a and movies for so many years.
AH
Wokelyte was terrible.
Fred
Troll
Phil
No, it’s true. Terrible show.
Jml
You’re the trolls. Go look at the numbers. Less and less people watched each episode because it was garbage. You can call the majority of people trolls if you want (even though it doesn’t make sense), but it doesn’t change the fact that you’re just coping and simping
Dawn Keibals
Douchenugget says what?
George
Stop making excuses for a crappy series by blaming it on a toxic fan base. It’s toxic production. Enough is enough. In decades past, it was absolute lunacy to blame the consumer for a product that wasn’t selling well. The company would go back to the drawing board and come up with something better. Not in this generation, though. “You’re all toxic and wrong, and our content is perfect, so we’re going to keep releasing things with the same problems and we’re going to keep blaming the toxic fan base every time it goes south for us…” Lmao get outta here.
JP in NYC
Nicely said…its not a”woke” or toxic fan situation, its the poor production. They serve us crap and expect us to eat it then blame us for not eating it. Which is a shame because the actors were great, they just put them in a poor story.
Anne Marie
AMEN!!!! I’m so soo tired of them saying we’re a toxic fan base when their content just straight up stinks!!! I’m so sick of them trying to shame the population into feeling bad for their opinions and not giving them their business because their content is garbage and if they want to sell it, they need to be aware of what we want. Not the other way around!
John
Preach!
Jody Vasey
It was neither woke nor terrible; it was an interesting and entertaining offshoot.
Hello
Gaslighting.
Chazatl
Both woke and terrible.
Danny O.
💯%
JPonce
Go away loser
Robb
Disney Star Wars is horrific because of the incompetent people creating such worthless crap and not because self righteous fools defend such horribly made content.
Fred
Troll
Fred
Stupid Troll
JPonce
Go away “Robb”
If you hate it so much, why are you here reading this article and commenting? I would surmise its because there is nothing in your life worth living for so rather than take the cowards way out, you instead farm articles that you can troll to give your life some semblance of vigor or purpose.
Chazatl
Not peoples one people. One person. Kathleen. Once she’s gone it will be much better days ahead.
Ion
Amen!
Lewis
A few trolls 🤣
The show was watched by barely anyone and was unintentionally hilarious it was that bad.
There’s a reason SW is essentially a dead franchise on life support and it’s putting out garbage like TA.
Disney in a decade have managed to produce a handful of objectively good projects with the rest being ideologically driven nonsense that has nothing to do with SW.
JP in NYC
Nicely said…its not a”woke” or toxic fan situation, its the poor production. They serve us crap and expect us to eat it then blame us for not eating it. Which is a shame because the actors were great, they just put them in a poor story.
Chazatl
And then try to guilt you into watching it. By saying if you don’t watch you’re toxic or a troll. Bad is bad. There’s no racism needed.
Albert Childress
Lmao a few trolls got the Acolyte canceled. Wow! That’s the dumbest statement today. You see, the Acolyte lost millions of dollars and had so low a viewership that it couldn’t stay in the top 25 of the ratings is why it was canceled. No, it was the few fans that watched it, and not the majority, is why that garbage show failed. But, you keep believing that only a small group of trolls caused it’s downfall, when in fact it was millions.
Nick
The fan base isn’t toxic, nor is it sexist. It’s just tired of being fed garbage. And let’s be honest, the sequel trilogy was terribly written garbage that paid no respect to the original characters or vision of Lucas. Since then, Disney’s had some hits and misses; more misses than not unfortunately. The “toxic, sexist” fanbase WANTS Disney to give us great Star Wars. It’s just more concerned with agenda than powerful storytelling.
David S
I think that some people are too hard or exact about a series and the concept. I enjoy ALL of the stories and characters at face value. There will always be those who want to nit pick about casting, performances and all, but where else can you get the continuity of the studio that created the concept in the first place. Don’t be so critical and demanding and just enjoy the different stories and situations and be grateful for the opportunity to view more of the Star Wars saga with all of the elements that have intrigued us from the beginning.
E
Disney and Lucasfilm need to worry less about a “few trolls” and focus more about writing a show that “a few million” more people want to watch. And not just once, but a show they want to watch on, repeat and stands the test of time.
Ista Phobos
It wasn’t trolls. It was ratings. Nobody watched it. Also, being loyal you you have no taste or discernment. You will eat any garbage they feed you.
Modulok
Where do you get off saying it was cancelled because of a few trolls? Wake up and learn to face facts. A few trolls can NEVER cancel a series that’s loved and well recieved by the general audience. The Acolyte was pure garbage and nobody cared to see it and this is fact. Ahsoka was trash as well and it suffered from low viewrs as well. Mando was loved by the fandom and they wanted more till they wokified season three and ruined it. I’ve been a hardcore fan since SW first came out yet almost everything Disney has made has been pure garbage.
Astinus
Calm down troll, you don’t even know what star wars is.
Jml
It’s not trolls you unintelligent person. Go look at the numbers. They canceled it based on the fact that people didn’t like it so they didn’t keep watching it.
YOU are the problem, giving these pathetic excuses and blaming the majority of fans because they don’t like garbage. Name calling and insulting the fan base has become very common for Disney and it’s actors. I don’t know how this goes over your head, but that’s a recipe for losing money and viewers.
Seren
A few trolls? Yesssss, that’s it. Nothing to do with dismal plotting, ludicrous dialogue, horrible acting then? The trolls, whom apparently make up the substance of the fanbase according to the uncritical, actually watched this mediocre offering and still the viewing figures were laughable. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
Matt
Let me get this strait……SW fandom didn’t like Acolyte because it was female-centric, but Ahsoka is popular because it isn’t?? How about NOTHING from Acolyte followed SW canon, and was poorly written, but that doesn’t fit the narrative you want to portray about SW fandom. Pathetic.
Triple T
True.
Jesse
Yeah I’m not sure how the whole female-centric thing works if Ashoka was successful and Acolyte wasn’t. I mean was the story about a female lead? Hmmm. Not getting it. When you lay claim to that reasoning it should be across the board. Not just one series. Acolyte to me was like when the very very first Star Wars movie was released. We had no back story, a brand new story line none of us knew anything about. We didn’t have any knowledge of what Jedi were or Darths were. We had to learn all this. Acolyte is the same to me. We pick up a story in mid stride. Needing to learn backstories and character histories. I feel most SW fans seem to try to tie everything into the existing story arc. But remember it is the SW Universe. Meaning other stories, characters, events were occurring all the while our SW story arc was happening. Fresh new SW stories need to begin somewhere. I’m good with seeing these stories develop without limiting my brain to just our typical story arc. Look at the SW Universe as that, a Universe and not a City-verse.
Danny O.
“I’m not sure how the whole female-centric thing works if Ashoka was successful and Acolyte wasn’t. I mean was the story about a female lead?”
Acolyte: Was it about the Night Sisters? Not really. Was it focused directly on Osha? Sort of? Sol was the other “female” focus…except he wasn’t female. Mae was another focus. Female. And HER teacher, Qimir, didn’t look female to me. Sure, Indara counts as a female. However, the series doesn’t seem as “female heavy” as those claiming it to be “Woke” would have you believe. The main focus was on Osha…with Sol as close secondary focus.
Ahsoka: Ahsoka & Sabine are the main cast. They’re females. Grand Admiral Thrawn? He seems male to me. Same with Ezra. Of course, the focus was definitely on Sabine & Ahsoka. Both are females, by the way.
Michael
This is correct, the acolyte failed because of its terrible written, Ashoka what female female centric but was much better. The characters were a lot better and the plot didn’t depend on poor communication.
Mike
The main problem was it was badly written, acted and directed. There were whole episodes where nothing really happened. Edit the whole boring mess down to 2 1/2 hours and it might have been popular.
Fredrick
Truth
Christopher Shipley
I agree. Yes, wokeism did play a part. And stop saying it’s because of sexist bigots. No it’s because we want entertainment to escape reality, not preach at us continuously. We know we need to tolerant of others. We accept that and are. But don’t expect us to use that message as entertainment! We know we should spell correctly when making our resume, but we don’t go buy a dictionary for bedtime reading. Stop labeling others who don’t want moral sermons to be our entertainment. But a deeper issue… It was poorly written. Do better Disney! Stop making excuses for poor content by insulting your fan base. Otherwise you might need to put out resumes yourself when no one watches your “moraltainment” anymore.
Tommy
Testify my friend
LandoL37
It’s not canceled. Change the title.
Dee_Hoss
The Acolyte was cancelled because it was a miniseries that cost $230 million to make BEFORE POST PRODUCTION!!
I thought it was awesome, the best SW TV since Mando S1. Yet when I heard that price tag I can understand why we never will get a second season.
Also anyone who says Acolyte broke canon either doesn’t know the first thing about Star Wars lore or is just fishing for excuses and parroting something they heard someone else say.
majordemonlord
It did break canon….badly.
Mike
Awesomely bad…..;
Tommy
What part of the series tied it into SW? I’m not disagreeing with you, I just don’t see the tie-in
Kal
Jedi Masters bumbling around like idiots, forcing themselves on on populations, assassinated by amateurs.
Padawans telling Masters what to do.
That’s just the tip of the bad writing.
Elizabeth A Gonzalez
I love all the Star wars movies and series in between – they are awesome and looking forward to more
Joshua M
I watched The Acolyte. There were a couple good episodes, but for the most part I feel like it was jumbled or had needless additions.
Tra
Pissed that they allowed idiot fans influence their decisions to cancel acolyte. I thought it was better than all the other shows. Mandalorian is slow and boring that Boba felt thing was garbage, Obi-Wan could’ve and should’ve been way better. The bad batch has always been awesome. I’m on the deuce with ahsoka
Sportbike Mike
I disagree that the Mandalorian is slow and boring, but besides that, you’re right. It’s better than all those shows. You know what is slow and boring though? Andor.
Andrew
Disney has made a bunch of mistakes. They had a great thing with The Mando verse series, but got greedy and shot themselves in the foot when they decided to take it to the movie screen. Mandalorian singlehandedly put Disney+ on the map, as well as the spin off shows. Now they’re trying to use Mandalorian to shore up their poor movie reputation, hurting the streaming service and probably providing little benefit to the movie reputation. There should have been a Mando season 4. Boba Fett needs some more screen time. There should have been an “Heir to the Empire” movie trilogy. But Disney doesn’t understand Star Wars.
As far as the Acolyte, I quit taking it seriously when they killed the Carrie-Ann Moss character in episode one.
David
The failure of Acolyte had nothing to do with it being “female-centric”.
Star Wars fans, those of us who saw the original in theaters, are the reason the genre was ever a success. We went to see it again and again. We wanted the posters, the toys, the Burger King Fun Meals, etc. We raised children and grandchildren to love it.
Today, we are the ones spending big money on lightsabers, helmets, and model kits.
When the producers of Acolyte told us to go away, this program wasn’t meant for us, we were torn. Many did just that. I gave it a shot, and a minute into it, I regretted doing so. I got through three episodes and shit it off. Canceled Disney. Will likely never spend another dime on anything Star Wars.
Most of the Star Wars work Disney has done has been horrible. Mando was good. Ashoka was good. Bad Batch was entertaining. The movies? Horrible. Rouge One was OK.
Sell the franchise back to Lucas. You have destroyed a beloved piece of our lifetimes
Astinus
Rogue one was the best thing since Empire, what kind of drugs you on, “fan?”
Bradley
If we could stop with the woke gas lighting, and get back to great story telling, things would fix themselves. 👍
Mike
“The force is female” production teams are so intrenched now nothing decent will ever come out of LucasFilm until the agenda driven man haters are replaced with real creatives whose goal is traditional non-PC adventure filmmaking.
Mike
Acolyte was horrible and deserved cancelation! Shane on Disney for tacking on cliff hangers after seeing how poorly received it was! Iger has no idea of what it is to be a visionary like Walt and Michael Eisner who saved Disney from extinction. Igers response to making shit Star Wars and Marvel content is to make less of it and suffer fewer loses which is a business person decision not a visionary decision. The correct response is to produce better content not less! His finger is not on the pulse of the fan base as this article implies he’s making decision based on negative feedback. Ashoka has no business getting a 2nd season after the first was horrible. He’s basing the decision on watch hours and not listening to fans. If he were he’d know how fans loved the best series other than mamdalorian which was Andor. This show is easily the best Star Wars content produced in Disneys horrible grip. He’s also failing the MCU That started to tank with not only the explosion and poorly handled multiverse, but his failure of putting back to back new introductions of way too many new character with Shang Chi and the DC bad Eternals! Trying to introduce comic book to movie lovers. He failed to hear fans praise of the best Marvel show She Hulk! He failed to listen to his own employees with Kenobi (other than Mando-which is going diwnhill, and Andor Kenobi is what fans enjoyed. Jon Favareau should be in charge of both Marvel and Star Wars. He should instantly replace Kathleen Kennedy and Kevin Feige (both are content bankrupt) Favareau has his finger on the pulse of both major IP’s. Something so obvious a visionary would have put him at the helm after he kicked off the MCU. Iger is done and if a Visionary isn’t the next ceo of the Disney Empire Universal will eclipse their theme park meal ticket for at least the next 5 years and perhaps never look back. Iger did business fine, but he’s no Jim Henson, George Lucas, and not even in the same brain space as Favareau and Eisner. They ran Eisner out for making too much money, but that was the deal they cut and Eisner made a small fortune but Disney reaped a much bigger piece of the rewatd!!!!!! Shame on Roy Jr. ultimately he was the problem.
W. L.
I hate that people say acolyte failed because it has a female lead. That is not why it failed, it failed because Disney would rather focus on pushing their agenda then writing good show. Ashoka is good and has strong female characters. I liked the new series of star wars and had absolutely no problem with a female lead with force awakens I was excited to see the next installment. It wasn’t until they reduced Luke Skywaker to a has been hero saying things like laser swords and gave him such an unwittingly and abrupt end, that I thought WTF? I dont care if you want female leads and a more culturally diverse cast just dont sacrifice the story and dont reduce the already established heroes to put it out there. Write a good story with strong characters and make it something people give a damn about, then you won’t have to use an excuse it’s because the hero is female or the hero is black or what not. Look at Samuel L Jackson very few are complaining that Nick Fury is suddenly black and the reason is because he brings a good energy and respect to the role.
Jay
I still resent the group of people calling everything “woke” after they hijacked the word and ruined it’s original meaning. They attacked The Acolyte when they saw the cast list and had no clue what the story would be about. This is the safer bet for female/POC led shows.
Sportbike Mike
Exactly. There were negative reviews before the show was even aired. Then they’re going to get on here an lie about why they did it.
Danny O.
I believe the article is correct about “the studio is putting too much control in the toxic fanbase” — due to the fact that I, too, was going to bring up. When reviews over a series being total garbage and “Woke” happens BEFORE that series aired, you know that people aren’t really watching it.
The marketing team really killed Acolyte, Agatha All Along, and any others that they focused on the Woke aspects (in the advertisement). It also didn’t help that these were advertised during the USA 2024 presidential election times (which actually had heterosexual Christian white male supremacy forcing their views since April 2024). All social media talked about was anti-Woke propaganda and Disney pushing a Woke agenda.
Acolyte failed for a variety of reasons. Not based on story (it was actually a decent story). Not based on the choreography (also good). Sure, they could have trimmed it down — rather than stretching out areas that didn’t need to be there. However, people are influenced into liking something based on what media and (especially) social media tells them.
Social media telling people to dislike Acolyte. Disney advertising it as “Woke” (which it really wasn’t). And people like me (who didn’t watch it until a couple months later). THAT is why the series failed. Same with Agatha All Along. I was excited for Billy’s story (and MCU heading towards Young Avengers)! Had I known that wasting my money could have saved those…
…Actually — it wouldn’t have helped. The other two aspects (social media & Disney’s advertising making those series out to be something that they weren’t). It wasn’t the “toxic fans” directly. It was the so-called fans that don’t care for anything that isn’t directly nostalgic or anything that seems like it goes against their personal views of the bible.
If Disney didn’t shove Woke-ism on us since 2021, people might have actually watched their content without being pre-biased against it.
Danny O.
“people like me (who didn’t watch it until a couple months later).” & “Had I known that wasting my money could have saved”
I paid for a one-year subscription of Brit Box. Since Disney acquired the rights to Doctor Who, I wanted to show a couple people the entire Whoniverse (whatever I could get on streaming, that is). So I paid for Brit Box. I’m hoping to cancel it after my time is up.
The same people also watch Star Wars & MCU with me. So, of COURSE I wanted to wait to watch those after we finished the Brit Box stuff.
When Dinsey+ was making their content disappear, I wanted to make sure I saw any content that they would have on their chopping block. And those two were getting hit with negative reviews about the shows (even before those series aired).
That’s why I watched those series when I did. I couldn’t on release dates, due to Brit Box commitments. No one told me that Disney cancels anything that doesn’t make them instant money on day one of release!
Hickey M
Nah…..the casting wasn’t the issue. But you’d have to pull your head out of your ass and actually watch it to realize how completely trash it was.. writing….trash….acting….trash….directing….trash.
J. Branch
I watched every episode, and The Acolyte failed, not because of review bombing, but because it was a poor show. The misguided attempt to make Qimir sympathetic and the Jedi corrupt villains – was ethically upside-down and immoral. They should never let weirdos like Leslye Headland create SW content!
Eric
If I had watch Acolyte week to week, I probably would have hated it too. Binge watching it all together was much more enjoyable.. Wasn’t the greatest show, but far from the disaster people made it out to be.
Rob P
There is no such thing as Toxic Fandom, that was made up by Disney to cope with their incompetent handling of the media they own & the stupid decisions of idiots like Kathleen Kennedy, who cares only for her personal legacy not that witch she swore to protect. She drove a wedge into the fans with The Last Jedi (TLJ) after a not so brilliant but promise showing TFA then went onto give the fans nothing they wanted & turn one of Disney’s only boy brands into a Femalesentric brand but somehow not even for females! Her decisions to inject Woke & modern ideas again & again only drove True Star Wars fans away from Disney Star Wars! Where a little light shone, The Mandalorian S1&S2 was firmly stamped on in S3. Andor was good if you could bare to watch it all the way through, badly edited & tedious in places. As for Ashoka not good. The Acolyte Terrible. This is not Star Wars! Rogue One is the only half decent movie, The Force Awakens left me & my friend disappointed but feeling it was at least a start of something that could be better. Unfortunately it wasn’t!
Astinus
You are the toxic fanbase, the fact you can’t see it makes you a clueless moron.
Mark
“This begs the question of whether the studio is putting too much control in the toxic fanbase that arguably hugely contributed to the cancellation of The Acolyte.”
This writer is a hack.
Clearly out of touch, paid in part or full by Kathleen Kennedy, and clueless about how consumerism works. If the fans say “no” then it’s no. Insulting them and calling them names speaks to the lack of impartiality of this author and this propaganda website.
Matt
Sadly alot of the failed projects have shown poor planning, not doing some backstory research to ensure canon continuity and worrying about hitting unnecessary social flags…..when it sticks to space opera with well conceived plot and action insertions SW thrives
Gupta Ryan
Good ridance. The “few toxic fanbase” is honestly the largest group of people that want star wars to be good. We are tired of trash shows like ahsoka, obi wan, and acolyte. Look, dont get me wrong, I would love a good show about any of those, but good, those were not.
Dave
The best Star Wars series for me, is Andor. It’s mature and well written.
I understand that Star Wars attracts a young following, and all the other series in the Star Wars sage cater for this.
But Ahsoka aside, can we have more like Andor!
For us who were teenagers at the beginning of the saga in 1977, Andor represents a mature growth to a fully adult following.
Jerry
My advice to Disney is quit worrying about making the trans,gays,and the rest of the woke community happy and just make movies. Walt Disney is probably rolling in his grave right now on what this family business has become.
Mike
Way to call the fan base toxic, just because it doesn’t like what your producing. Acolyte aside from a cool lightsaber fight was poorly written. That why people didn’t like it.
Disney is trying to promote their political agenda through their products and their fans don’t like it.
They need to concentrate and well written stories that follows the already established canon.
Example: Darth Vader had an incredible experience bleeding his light saber and he was a very strong forcewielder. Kylo cracked his when attempting to bleed his and he was already a strong force wielder. The girl from the acolyte bleeds hers practically without any effort and she’s no where near adept at using the force as Kylo.
Things like that stand out.
Me
So… the fan base is toxic and sexist because they hated acolyte but they loved ashoka…. what does that make them?.
Sportbike Mike
I liked The Acolyte and I’d very much like to see the conclusion to that story. If your complaint against a show is “it’s woke”, maybe just don’t watch and let others enjoy things. If the writers fear being cancelled by a bunch of reddit trolls, it’s going to affect your favorite white male centric show too.
That Guy
Perverted angry nerds ruin it for everyone. I wish they’d stop listening to them.
Stuart
This^^^
Thank you.
Davide
I had the feeling The Acolyte could potentially be real interesting and I was eager to see where a second season would be headed towards…I think it had potential. Ashoka on the other hand was very bad written, the story was so weak, she was the most powerful almost Jedi in the war of the clones…and in the tv series she looks like ..an idiot. That said, I think to make star wars great again Disney guys definitely need a great writer with stories that make sense with a common storyline
George
Stop making excuses for a crappy series by blaming it on a toxic fan base. It’s toxic production. Enough is enough. In decades past, it was absolute lunacy to blame the consumer for a product that wasn’t selling well. The company would go back to the drawing board and come up with something better. Not in this generation, though. “You’re all toxic and wrong, and our content is perfect, so we’re going to keep releasing things with the same problems and we’re going to keep blaming the toxic fan base every time it goes south for us…” Lmao get outta here.
Mike
As an original fan, Just let Feloni take over. He has the knowledge(basically blessed by Lucas) to continue.
He’s the key. Everything he has done has had success. All the others, not so much. Doesn’t matter the characters gender, color or what world they’re from. He has the mindset for a better SWU.
The sequel trilogy would’ve been a hell of a lot more successful if Dave and Jon Favaro did the work. I accepted them but there was so much that irritated the crap out of me.
“They fly now??”….gives me nightmares
William
dead on correct!!
Chazatl
So long as Kathleen Kennedy is there at Disney the content will continue to be woke pieces of garbage. Mando was the one bright spot for a while but notice it hasn’t gotten much love or attention that’s because it wasn’t woke enough.
The acolyte was terrible. Badder than the last Jedi and that’s a high bar to hurdle.
With the recent rejection socially of wokism Disney needs to do itself a favor and fire Kennedy and then we can move on and remake the terrible sequel trilogy into something better. But unfortunately I think this patient is terminal and all but the Mando is pretty much dead.
Michael Zeidman
Blaming the fan base instead of introspectively looking at what may have been wrong with the project is insulting to those of us that were really looking forward to The Acolyte but disliked it because it just wasn’t good. I couldn’t make it past the third episode. I really wanted to enjoy it to some extent for all of the hate it had gotten. Like many SW fans, Boba Fett is my favorite fringe character in the SW universe and I really disliked The Book of Boba Fett for the same reason. The story and writing were not interesting and in many instances spit in the face of everything that existed already. Similar to how The Last Jedi may have been a good movie but was a terrible SW movie. You can’t just make a movie and slap the title SW on it to make a SW movie. It has to live in the universe where the story is consistent with everything made before it.
Kaden
I agree wholeheartedly. I was really looking forward to The Acolyte, but the story and storytelling was a huge let down. The visuals were excellent, but the acting of the main actress was worse than a Hallmark Christmas movie. There was no real emotion portrayed, and sje seemed to lack motivation for the character.
Keifers
Star Wars is dead.Mark Hamill killed it along with Disney.Mark stated that if fans are MAGA/Republican ‘We’ can go force ourselves.Then after James Earl Jones passed (rip)He stated Miss you dad with a broken heart emoji.Hypocritical Mark Hamill,didn’t He know that James Earl Jones was a lifelong member of the Republican Party? Wonder if James Earl Jones saw Marks post about MAGA/Republicans CAN go force themselves,before He passed.It’s sad Mark Hamill doesn’t appreciate the fans,that helpe make him a star,and rich & famous.And sad,he disrespected James Earl Jones before his passing.Star Wars is dead for me,Mark Hamill finished burying it.
Kazumajr
Wow someone’s making this about politics when it just boils down to just terrible story telling. Lol. It’s too bad we’ll never know but I wonder what everybody would be saying if Disney went with George Lucas’s original 7, 8 and 9 prequel trilogy!¿ O well.
Clark
They cancel the two best shows they had between Ahsoka and The mandalorian? I’m so over this Woke bs. Disney will end up like MSNBC with dwindling ratings. Cancel Kathy Kennedy. Maybe Elon Musk will buy them also…
Jeff
The Acolyte was absolutely awful and it had nothing to do with the politics of it. The writing and dialogue was sloppy and the whole plot was quite frankly boring and predictable. Star wars fans didn’t like it because it didn’t respect the 50 year old accumulated story and this article is blatant rage bait to antagonise ardent fans of a fading cultural masterpiece.
RJ
I love Ashoka. She’s become one of my favorite characters. Honestly I tried to like the Akolyte but I don’t think the series was well written. I hope Ashoka continues and maybe in the future some other writers can take a crack at the Akolyte.
Kazumajr
Imo the “toxic fandom” doesn’t need control when there is already a ton of amazing source material in Legends (that apparently doesn’t exist according to Kennedy). Also in my opinion if a story is good enough there wouldn’t be backlash. The Acolyte was so boring! What in that series could possibly have cost 230 million dollars? The main actress had the same facial expression throughout the whole show. The Acolyte was obviously a huge L for Disney, otherwise they would have greenlit a second season.
Daisy Ridley is an amazing actress. With having some of the worst luck having to act for some of the worst writing in history. Not just in Star Wars history either.
Shad0w
People immediately start screaming that the fan base is complaining about the wokeness of these series when I really do not think that is the actual issue. I am a life long fan of star wars and I can tell you as a matter of fact that yes I’ve had issues with some of the series and the prequel trilogy and it had absolutely nothing to do with being it being “woke”. My issue is simple. Stop bring politics into star wars. Leave it alone. Stop trying to make everything about some message or ideal and just let us enjoy Star Wars f v or what it is.
Kaden
Star Wars was always about politics… the Original Trilogy was an exposé on the Vietnam War, with the Empire actually representing the actions of the US in that conflict…
Misty S
Look. I never watched the Acolyte. But I know that it received heavy criticism. From the previews I saw. I wasn’t interested. Osaka I’ve only seen two episodes. My all time personal favorite was world between worlds with Hayden Christensen. Other then that …..im truly not interested. Kennedy and her crew have run Star Wars down Into the ground. Star Wars was ment to be about Anakin Skywalker, and Luke and Liea and their dependents. NOT made up Skywalkers. So im pretty much done.
Jason
The acolyte was the worst thing to happen to star wars since the star wars holiday special. Ahsoka was solid gold. The two are incomparable. If Disney is defensive about Ahsoka, it only shows they have learned nothing. Ahsoka was not woke, it was a great story. The acolyte was the worst piece of garbage writing created in over 20 years. It deserves every razzie it can get.
Kaden
Calling the fan base “toxic” in a news report targetted for Star Wars fans is WILD. Also, The Acolyte wasn’t hated because it was pushing a female-centric narrative. After all, so was Ahsoka and that was not hated nearly as much. It was also not because it was “woke”. It was simply hated because it was bad. It had poor acting, poor storytelling, poor conclusions to each episode, etc. Disney’s use of modern phrases and sayings in the real world seemed forced and out of touch with the whole idea of Star Wars being a completely different universe. The series could have been so good if the plot was fleshed out better and they hired actors who could actually show emotion. The main character was especially unconvincing and seemed to lack true motivation. What also made the show worse, much like this article, were the continued insults and assumptions from the creators against the fan base.
I think Disney is wise to make Star Wars shows have a satisfying conclusion if they do get cancelled prematurely. Honestly, I think every show should do that because it’s never certain when or why something may get cancelled.
Steve
Look forward to Star Wars ending completely as a franchise due to Disney being broken up under antitrust and Uncle Sam handing Lucasfilm back to George’s family who will do nothing with it but collect royalty checks. It’s time to close the book on Star Wars and end the story entirely. No more new movies, no more new shows, no more nothing. That also means no more Star Wars in the parks due to billions in licensing fees. No one will miss Star Wars in the Disney parks.
Larry
Poor directing in the Acolyte, not in the characters. Asoka is the best of the Star Wars universe and Dave Filoni should direct all Star Wars projects. He has been a formidable Padawan to George Lucas.
Doug
Hey, if you wanna be taken seriously as a journalist then learn what “begging the question” means. Hint: it doesn’t mean “suggests” or “raises the question.”
Tommy
There has been plenty of entertaining SW content including Mando, Boba Fett, Ahsoka, Obi-wan, Andor…Acolyte did miss the mark, but I’ve truly enjoyed every other series..Disney didn’t cancel anything due to some fans complaining people, it’s all about what was profitable and what wasnt.
Tommy
In my humble opinion, the biggest mistake they’ve made so far is putting 3 years between Mando season 3 and a film replacing season 4. I’m sure myself and millions of other fans would have preferred to have a Mando season 4 this year instead of The Acolyte etc.
Marcel
The acolyte being killed off by a toxic fan base is ridiculous. The fact that the acolyte had a huge rating the first couple episodes should tell you that’s a lie. The fans were hungry for more star wars, it’s not until we saw what we were getting the fans started to pull away from it, some of us like myself hung around to the end waiting for it to get better and we’re still disappointed. People like what they like and the vast majority, even the few that stuck it out, were just not happy with it.
Sean
It was because toxic fan base… sure. Maybe turning a kids franchise into a hurray for alien lesbians was a toxic writers room pushing social agendas that a reasonable fan base rejected. Disney paid a huge amount of money to get the Marvel universe…. and the Star Wars universe…. and they cannot seem figure out how to not destroy them.
tyler
More lazy bashing of a “toxic fanbase” rather than the real issue- the stories weren’t good! Easier to blame the bros, though.
My name
So it’s the “toxic” fan base’s fault? No, the shows have mostly been different variations of crap. Disney’s woke agenda has completely ruined these shows and movies, they’re more concerned with making headlines than they are with what the fans want. The same fans that made Star Wars a money factory to begin with.
NoTrustInMen
Everyone has a right to their opinion. I have friends who loved the Acolyte, though I didn’t care for it. Toxic comes in when folks are demeaned for their opinions. I did not like the Acolyte and I can relate the reasons why. But my friend can relate why they liked it. I would never call them names or say they are woke or any of that. We are still friends and there are more important things in the world. Yes there are some Toxic fans. BTW I do not like the direction of Lucas films. I think there are to many cooks in the Kitchen. George was the only cook and things got done. Now I have a problem with every Star Wars film ever made, but I can suspend that part of my brain to enjoy the film. Death Star, always thought that was a joke.
Paul
The signs have been there for a while, they’re getting clearer and more frequent. Selling SW to Disney was the dumbest move ever. Disney creative teams aim at children and treat them like welll…little naive children. New SW content needs to be created for adults not children. Children will keep up with more adult styles believe me. I’m not saying R rated here I’m saying deeper characters, richer story, more complex scripts, darker tones, more realism in themes & behaviours. I could not finish The Acolyte it was so bad and I’ve lost interest in future projects. There is no future for SW while its with Disney.
Paul
Acolyte was so poorly written and the acting was drastically subpar…shouldn’t have any bearing on other series…
Roger
The criticism was not about “the female centric” casting….
Ben
You guys are the reason they cancelled mandalorian too. Thanks.
Jess
That’s some sad copium 🥺
Eric Weiss
All that I can say is, I was a huge huge fan of the legends for his books or what’s referred to as the legends verse now anyway that being said, I’ve always hated the new storyline however in recent years, I’ve come around and I’ve grown to love it, even though I hate what they did to Skywalker’s and solos in this new storyline, I I really liked rebels and am liking Asoka I’m liking so far what they’ve done in Obi-Wan Kenobi story I’ve liked Mandalorian a lot too, and have loved the idea of the new movies that are coming out despite that I’m not a huge fan of the race Skywalker story it’s grown on me just because I have no choice is a little bit to do with it, but I have liked it a little bit. The first two movies were horrible the third movie the rise of Skywalker actually did grow on me a lot despite the fact that they screwed up the Skywalker solo clan and they’re storyline I still like it now the new version has grown on me and I really hope they do not cancel Asoka because that has grown on the most along with Mandalorian if they cancel it, I will be just as peeved off and pissed as when they canceled the old cannon and decided not to do the sort of the Jedi trilogy that I waited for 12 years of reading to finally read and then it didn’t happen. I’ll be just as pissed as that as I was when that happened so please don’t cancel Asoka! Please don’t do iit! Or you will lose this fan forever and that’s a fact at least this one fan and I’m sure you’ll lose others, but please don’t do it!
Matt
The Acolyte was one of the best series they made so far. They have all been good, but Acolyte was really setting the pace for a movie. Never once did i watch that show and think there was some sort of agenda, it was just another good Star Wars show. Real fans enjoyed it.
Woke is literally just the word bigots use when they’re upset straight White men aren’t being portrayed as the saviors of Black/Brown people, women, and gays. It’s their more “polite” way to announce how abhorrent they are. Shame on Disney for folding to hate.
Jim
Been a fan of Star Wars since I was I little kid when the first movie came out. Ahsoka is a decent series about an amazing character (with great supporting characters too). Only caveat is that you really need to have watched Rebels to appreciate the show. Ideally The Clone Wars too. I’m looking forward to season 2. I think all of the Disney shows have been at least decent, and some are great (Andor!!!). BUT… I watched part of Acolyte and stopped early on. It was absolutely horrible and despite trying hard, I can’t find even one positive thing to say about it. I don’t know about all of this “woke” stuff that I keep hearing about, but the show is just plain awful in my opinion. It should go the way of the Star Wars Holiday Special back in the late 70’s.
Matt
I didn’t have a problem with the female-centric theme in The Acolyte. It was about the Nightsisters so naturally, they’re going to be women. I binged the first season recently and I thought it was okay. I don’t get into deep analysis of plots or actor performance, I just think about whether or not I was entertained. I found it entertaining, so I would have been okay with a second season. Many people who are more well-versed in plot analysis and such would probably disagree with me and that’s fine.
Ryo
Acolyte was painful to watch but I did in hope it would get better.. Sadly it didn’t.
Honestly I’m tired of needing politically correctness and other stuff having to be forced into the series. I want the story, not sneak in agendas.
Steve
I Quite liked the Acolyte, The story gave a good insight into the power of the Force not only shared and practiced by Jedi & Sith. Which is really the guts of the whole saga,and also leads upto in time Darth Plagus the Wise.
David
The acolyte was canceled because it was awful , stop with the excuses. The fan base loves female characters and ahsoka has been a fan favorite for years. Black series has just come out with pre-orders for shak ti and luminara unduli and have been snapped up… we love female characters we hate awful writing , plot holes and retcons of beloved characters. So come off the hating women and minorities bullsh*t.
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