The problems with Marvel recently are well documented. The thing that was unusual was that Marvel Studios originally actually listened to the voices of its long established fan base, something that is pretty well unprecedented. Comic fans are very smart, and care about their characters deeply. They rightly see the comics as a modern mythology, and often the social trends that emerge many years later start in comics. Just as two examples the Black Panther was a cultural hit in the 2010s, but had already been established with the same basic constructs in 1965 by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby. Also Steve Ditko had created many of the new Consciousness ideas that would affect the 1960s in the very early 60s with Doctor Strange comics. And the beauty of Marvel Studios was that it listened to its fans, and in doing so stayed true to the characters in storytelling arcs that included its core and most beloved characters such as spider-man, captain america, Iron Man thor, the hulk, and more. Having this entire universe taken over by a left-wing woke agenda that insisted that every major character be replaced due to race and gender was something that was rightfully found to be incredibly distasteful and disrespectful to the characters. It was an action that the fans hated, because it embodied all that Comics are not about. Hypocrisy, pandering, poor storytelling, and more. Worse than that, the appropriate criticism that was levied by the vast majority of fans, and reflected in poor ticket sales by the General Public, was labeled as hate speech. The fans are not Fanboy haters, they’re smart intelligent thoughtful people who care deeply about the storylines and characters that this modern mythology represents, and dislike it being hijacked for political propaganda reasons. Marvel is now paying dearly by losing a massive Dynamo of billion dollar franchises, all disappearing just as their identities are being wiped away in favor of other races and genders purely for purposes of an agenda which most people find distasteful due to its false and forced Origins. Comic fans have always been on The Cutting Edge of racial and social progress, just as they are now, calling out the false and hypocritical agenda that Marvel has been pursuing since endgame. No big mystery here, the only question is when do they finally loose enough money to realize their errors. They’re not nobly pushing something forward that the public is rejecting, they are hypocritically pushing something forward that the public sees for what it is.
Wow! So eloquently put. When you listen, read or see the political news of the day and suddenly it is up on the screen it “turns one off on the genre you love. Because it was not there before and now it’s there. Box checked off. It is EVERYWHERE in media! I have really stopped watching current entertainment. The entertainment world is so overcome with this new “in” thing of social justice and shoving it down our throats. I AM COMPLETELY OVER IT!! If you want my money then you need to start writing stories that are not WOKE or, old term, PC.Get over yourselfs. The world doesn’t revolve around you and the ticket sales prove it.
That is part of it, but more simply, fans do know these characters and a lot of introductory story-telling went on Disney+ before the movies are released. If I don’t have Disney+ I don’t know what is going on by the time to movie hits the theater. If I do have Disney+, why should I pay $20 a seat when I know I will see it 2 months after it is out of theaters?
The problem is that comic books aren’t like real life Captain America Iron Man and others can’t keep coming back from the dead like comic books. And the b list of characters( Ant-Man, the eternals) don’t have the history or the popularity that the a list has
Actually ironman and thor were considered b class characters at the start of the mcu their book sells were mediocre along with gaurdians and such. Marvel didn’t have access to do movies of their a tier characters at the time xmen spiderman wolverine. The way they are tiered is by their sales .
“Disney sought to diversify its offerings by introducing characters and stories that deviated from the classic superhero mold.”
I feel like it was less about this specifically and more about the poor writing, poor special effects, a reliance on turning every movie and character into a quirky, funny comedy (after the formula worked for Guardians) instead of letting them be their own thing. And of course the blatant pandering and agenda, for example replacing heroes with young girls (Iron Heart, Kate Bishop) which has driven fans away. But the company has insisted they are right and their target audience would come through. Unfortunately, that target audience does not seem to be interested in buying movie tickets. Perhaps their target audience just wants to know these movies exist and support the idea of them, but comic movies aren’t for them. Or maybe it’s just bad comic movies they don’t like. 🤔
Marvel Studios needs to return to those characters like Captain America, Iron Man, Doctor Strange that we including myself have grown to love and respect.
Go back to the drawing board and carefully plan out movies that really develop characters like The Eternals, The Inhumans, The X-Men and The Illuminati etc.
Go back and redo every Marvel movie that boomed at the box office staying true to the characters comic book origins.
I think the biggest problem is people aren’t thrilled with Disney succumbing to a woke culture. There’s a lot of subliminal plots within many of the movies that people just don’t want to see. Stop trying to push a narrative or an agenda and just make an entertaining film.
To know that either Iger or his predecessor was behind the push for the extreme amount of MCU content is both comforting and frustrating. Every time, every time a movie a tv show fails, it’s almost always due to executive meddling. Give me 100 bad movies and I will tell you that maybe 5 or 6 old them were bad on their own merits. All the rest could’ve been great if they were handled properly or the directors creative vision was realized.
I think the audience has grown tired of all the super heroes films. Just recently I saw that some studio is going to reboot the “Kickboxer” franchise. Look at John Wick and similar. Too much over-powered people has gotten stale.
Even people get tired of eating ice cream every day. Need to refresh a different genre.
Comments for Disney Scraps MCU, Studio Faces Massive Failure
Dave
The problems with Marvel recently are well documented. The thing that was unusual was that Marvel Studios originally actually listened to the voices of its long established fan base, something that is pretty well unprecedented. Comic fans are very smart, and care about their characters deeply. They rightly see the comics as a modern mythology, and often the social trends that emerge many years later start in comics. Just as two examples the Black Panther was a cultural hit in the 2010s, but had already been established with the same basic constructs in 1965 by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby. Also Steve Ditko had created many of the new Consciousness ideas that would affect the 1960s in the very early 60s with Doctor Strange comics. And the beauty of Marvel Studios was that it listened to its fans, and in doing so stayed true to the characters in storytelling arcs that included its core and most beloved characters such as spider-man, captain america, Iron Man thor, the hulk, and more. Having this entire universe taken over by a left-wing woke agenda that insisted that every major character be replaced due to race and gender was something that was rightfully found to be incredibly distasteful and disrespectful to the characters. It was an action that the fans hated, because it embodied all that Comics are not about. Hypocrisy, pandering, poor storytelling, and more. Worse than that, the appropriate criticism that was levied by the vast majority of fans, and reflected in poor ticket sales by the General Public, was labeled as hate speech. The fans are not Fanboy haters, they’re smart intelligent thoughtful people who care deeply about the storylines and characters that this modern mythology represents, and dislike it being hijacked for political propaganda reasons. Marvel is now paying dearly by losing a massive Dynamo of billion dollar franchises, all disappearing just as their identities are being wiped away in favor of other races and genders purely for purposes of an agenda which most people find distasteful due to its false and forced Origins. Comic fans have always been on The Cutting Edge of racial and social progress, just as they are now, calling out the false and hypocritical agenda that Marvel has been pursuing since endgame. No big mystery here, the only question is when do they finally loose enough money to realize their errors. They’re not nobly pushing something forward that the public is rejecting, they are hypocritically pushing something forward that the public sees for what it is.
Adam
I agree with your many words.
rick
Very true
Charles Ward
What he said!
Randy
Wow! So eloquently put. When you listen, read or see the political news of the day and suddenly it is up on the screen it “turns one off on the genre you love. Because it was not there before and now it’s there. Box checked off. It is EVERYWHERE in media! I have really stopped watching current entertainment. The entertainment world is so overcome with this new “in” thing of social justice and shoving it down our throats. I AM COMPLETELY OVER IT!! If you want my money then you need to start writing stories that are not WOKE or, old term, PC.Get over yourselfs. The world doesn’t revolve around you and the ticket sales prove it.
Burnard Parker
That is part of it, but more simply, fans do know these characters and a lot of introductory story-telling went on Disney+ before the movies are released. If I don’t have Disney+ I don’t know what is going on by the time to movie hits the theater. If I do have Disney+, why should I pay $20 a seat when I know I will see it 2 months after it is out of theaters?
myk
That’s an excellent point…
Mel Wright
The problem is that comic books aren’t like real life Captain America Iron Man and others can’t keep coming back from the dead like comic books. And the b list of characters( Ant-Man, the eternals) don’t have the history or the popularity that the a list has
Todd Hudson
Actually ironman and thor were considered b class characters at the start of the mcu their book sells were mediocre along with gaurdians and such. Marvel didn’t have access to do movies of their a tier characters at the time xmen spiderman wolverine. The way they are tiered is by their sales .
Jack
“Disney sought to diversify its offerings by introducing characters and stories that deviated from the classic superhero mold.”
I feel like it was less about this specifically and more about the poor writing, poor special effects, a reliance on turning every movie and character into a quirky, funny comedy (after the formula worked for Guardians) instead of letting them be their own thing. And of course the blatant pandering and agenda, for example replacing heroes with young girls (Iron Heart, Kate Bishop) which has driven fans away. But the company has insisted they are right and their target audience would come through. Unfortunately, that target audience does not seem to be interested in buying movie tickets. Perhaps their target audience just wants to know these movies exist and support the idea of them, but comic movies aren’t for them. Or maybe it’s just bad comic movies they don’t like. 🤔
Susan Shedlow
Marvel Studios needs to return to those characters like Captain America, Iron Man, Doctor Strange that we including myself have grown to love and respect.
Go back to the drawing board and carefully plan out movies that really develop characters like The Eternals, The Inhumans, The X-Men and The Illuminati etc.
Go back and redo every Marvel movie that boomed at the box office staying true to the characters comic book origins.
Tim
I think the biggest problem is people aren’t thrilled with Disney succumbing to a woke culture. There’s a lot of subliminal plots within many of the movies that people just don’t want to see. Stop trying to push a narrative or an agenda and just make an entertaining film.
Joseph Roberts
They should start work on the daredevil movie before it is too late
Todd Hudson
They aren’t making a daredevil movie. They are making a tv series on disney plus
Kirklan
To know that either Iger or his predecessor was behind the push for the extreme amount of MCU content is both comforting and frustrating. Every time, every time a movie a tv show fails, it’s almost always due to executive meddling. Give me 100 bad movies and I will tell you that maybe 5 or 6 old them were bad on their own merits. All the rest could’ve been great if they were handled properly or the directors creative vision was realized.
China Mike
I think the audience has grown tired of all the super heroes films. Just recently I saw that some studio is going to reboot the “Kickboxer” franchise. Look at John Wick and similar. Too much over-powered people has gotten stale.
Even people get tired of eating ice cream every day. Need to refresh a different genre.
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