Massage mishap in the Disney Fantasy Senses Spa mildly soothed by relaxing Rainforest experience

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  1. Rob Stevens

    Ricky,

    So sorry that you and your wife had a negative experience with your Couple’s massages. My wife and I did the Couple’s Spa Villa on the Disney Dream while on our honeymoon, and it was a wonderful experience. With any massage, you have to speak up if they’re causing pain, and they’ll switch to another technique or apply less pressure. It can be intimidating when you’re basically prone, so I totally understand.

    A well-performed massage in a quiet room always puts me to sleep, and that’s what you should be expecting. In your case, I probably would have just said, “That’s a bit too much. Can you switch back to the stones? Those were nice.” That would have been enough to tell them what you were feeling, plus give them guidance on what works for you.

    I hope you two are feeling better soon!

    1. Ricky Brigante

      We definitely should have spoken up, but were under the assumption that it would be worth it in the end – that the firm pressure would make our muscles feel all the better afterward. At least, that’s what we were told. It never happened. Next time, we’ll certainly speak up.

      1. Steven

        other than the pricing mishap, I see the vast majority of mistakes were that of the guest. A deep tissue massage was likely what was required to provide the end result. You, yourself said the sauna would have likely helped. Perhaps you should have used the sauna afterwards. A deep tissue massage certainly isn’t silky smooth … hence, the name DEEP tissue massage. It takes pressure to get to the deep tissue. Ideally, next time, you may not want to create a blog which seemingly blames the spa for your mistake of either not knowing what you were receiving, and/or not speaking up. If you ask a barber for a hair cut … do not complain AFTER the barber has finished.

  2. Julie

    Ricky, thank you for your story. This same kind of thing happened on another cruise line for me, except it was for a couples massage class instead. Meant to show you how to relax each other, it was a torturous 2 hours forms and my husband, and the class took place on thin mats on a hard wooden floor. We were in agony. So I agree, question things you don’t understand, request a tour, question again…anything to be sure you’re not subjected to such discomfort.

  3. Ricky, you and Michelle have my profound sympathy. I’ve had the same experience with a deep tissue massage when I was expecting a Swedish massage (apparently my masseuse got the order wrong and I just thought she was a gorilla with her technique). It is no exaggeration to say a week’s worth of soreness followed.

    Your solutions are spot-on. Talk ahead of time, ask for less pressure, and be up front about what you’re expecting and experiencing.

    We were put off by the prices for a couples massage on the Fantasy, having had many couples massages on other luxury ships for less, so it was with interest that I read your review!

    Feel better!

    1. Ricky Brigante

      Thanks… and you’re right, the prices were rather high, particularly for what we received – which obviously was not what we thought we were paying for. Though I enjoyed the Rainforest experience afterward, the $16 comp didn’t exactly make up for the $200+ investment into sore muscles.

  4. Michelle

    I was not actually told that if the pressure was too much to speak up about it. The masseuse could tell I was in discomfort and instructed me on when to inhale and exhale. So right there she could tell in was in pain and didn’t ease up.

    1. Lorynn

      Common sense would tell you if you’re uncomfortable and not getting what you want then you speak up. Furthermore, exhaling and inhaling is not about “pain”. You’re asked to do that to allow penetration into a muscle. Not to sound harsh, but to be honest, this IS your fault. If you went to a salon to get your hair permed and they made a mistake on the order and started coloring it purple would you let them finish with the purple dye and then write a blog? There is NO difference here.

  5. As a former massage therapist this upsets me. We were trained to ask several times if the pressure was OK as well as to look for signs of discomfort as people don’t always say if it hurts. If I saw signs of discomfort I would lighten up automatically even if I’d asked them minutes before. Deep tissue massage does hurt, horribly, it was my least favorite to learn because I would come home in serious pain for days. I really only recommend deep tissue for people who have serious pain issues already because the continued sessions help to relieve pain eventually, there are usually 10 sessions. Also – did they instruct you to drink a lot of water for the next 24 hours? When you get any massage you should drink a lot in order to clear out any toxins that have built up in your muscles that are dumped into the blood stream and lymph system – it also helps to reduce muscular pain after massages. I’m so sorry that this happened, the therapists never should have continued going if they saw that you were in that much discomfort.

    1. Ricky Brigante

      That certainly explains why my single deep tissue massage did nothing beneficial for me and was a painful waste of a couple hundred bucks. They did instruct us to drink plenty of water afterward, which I tried to do. But I didn’t know how much was a lot, as I already drink a lot of water on a daily basis anyway. In the end, I definitely felt worse, not better, from the moment it ended.

  6. Jeff Lynch

    Ricky,

    This SAME THING happened to me once at a ski resort in Vail run by Marriott. I had never had a massage before and I told the masseur that. I was there for a week of skiing. I just wanted to enjoy the massage and the spa that night and then ski the next day…but the massage hurt me so badly that I was sore for the whole next week. I couldn’t even ski I hurt so bad! It was one of the worst things that’s ever happened to me and I have not had a massage since.

  7. Jennie

    I get a massages fairly often especially on Disney cruises after Disney marathons. My husband always goes for deep tissue and loves it, I made the mistake of deep tissue only once about 6 yrs ago….never again. Sorry you had to experience that.

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  8. Stephanie

    I feel your pain. I had a “deep tissue” massage once before and I couldn’t move for three days. Never again! I’m going on the Fantasy in July and I booked all my spa treatments. After reading your story, I’m a little hesitant now…

  9. Tamika

    I’m surprised a resort and cruise reviewer would know so little about massage treatments.

    Still, the massage therapist should have recognized that you were in pain and made changes, especially since you had said you weren’t used to getting massages.

    For the record, $242 for 2 people (and $318 for a hot stone treatment for 2 people) is actually a great cruise/resort price. It’s not that much more than the standard massage therapy price with a local therapist, which usually runs $90-125 per person (or around $150-195 for hot stone). Resorts and cruises usually double normal spa costs, if not worse.

  10. Zack

    All you have to do is ask for less pressure during the massage until it’s comfortable for you. I think you’re an idiot.

  11. MJ

    I hate to be mean, but as a licensed massage therapist for one of the leading spas in the US, the fault does not lie within the therapists you had. Yes, sometimes a therapist and guest just don’t ‘click’ and the massage may not be the best. But when complaining that it hurt, was uncomfortable, and you were beat up is of no fault but your own. Therapists can give many massages a day and experience completely different people each time. One person’s perception of deep tissue might be perfect relaxation/swedish for another. What hurt you might feel good to another. There are people who squirm and wince, and want to really be worked over. We aren’t mind readers. You need to be vocal about what you need and want -your therapist even said to let him know. Instead, you spent the whole 50 minutes LETTING yourself be tortured (although you HAVE the power to speak up), and then complained that somehow it was the therapists fault that YOU DIDNT speak up. I understand the argument that the therapist should have noticed the discomfort and at least asked about pressure… but the way this review is written, you’re blaming the therapist for your lack of asking questions and saying, Hey, can you ease up? Id say 7 out of every 10 clients I have want deep tissue, so we tend to default to a firm pressure. The uncomfortable pressure was tensing up your whole body. When your muscles tense, the pressure will hurt more. The instructed breathing the therapist was having you do was trying to get you to relax when he laid the pressure down. I would, as a therapist, ask about pressure more. BUT, I would also expect my client to speak up.

    You mentioned first that you told your therapist that your legs and your back hurt. Then later complained that there was a lot of focus on the back. In a 50 minute massage, there is NOT enough time to adequately focus on all areas, especially when you want a full body massage. Back, neck, and shoulders tend to be the most popular problematic areas, and much more intricate and complicated to work on than the legs. So many people want the benefits of an 80 minute massage, but only want to pay for a 50 minute. Which, by the way, the $242 for the original 2 massages was a pretty darn good deal. Unless you are accustomed to going to Massage Envy. Where I work, 2 50 minute massages will set you back about 300, not including gratuities.

    Finally, for all people, Licensed Massage Therapists are medically trained practitioners. The words Masseur and Masseuse are kind of offensive.

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  18. Janine

    I too had a bad experience with the Spa on a recent Disney Cruise. Please be aware of their cancelation policies!!!! You will be charged 50% of the treatment for any cancelation less than 24hrs. Note: they are not open 24hrs. I felt pressured into getting 3 appointments with no talk of cancelation policies. I was trying acupuncture for the first time. I was told there are no side effects of acupuncture…well there can be slight bruising / swelling, which I found out after my 1st appointment. I called back to cancel my other 2 appointments and found that I had to pay full price for the 1st, half price for the 2nd and the 3rd would be refunded. They didn’t refund them the next day, it took a couple of days. Not worth the relaxation I went for in the first place. It caused me more anxiety worrying about getting reimbursed and if I had some sort of infection.

  19. Lorynn

    I really don’t get what this writer is complaining about. The massage therapist specifically said, “if it is too rough at any time then let me know”. The client did not do that, but then complained he didn’t get what he wanted. That is the client’s fault since the LMT cannot possibly know how the client feels. I am a massage therapist. I ask clients if the pressure is too light or too strong. If they tell me one or the other, I adjust my pressure and there then is no problem. It is absoltely impossible for me to know how a client feels with the pressure I give them bc they are all different. I have a big guy who is a regular client and he asks me for a deep tissue/sports massage every time. Yet, I have to give him what I consider medium to light pressure because he is very sensitive to most pressure. It is just how his body is. While the next guy would call what i am doing “light touch” and ask me to go firmer. I get so annoyed when I hear people whine about things which can be fixed but you MUST speak up. There is no other way around this. It’s like a client who is cold while on the table or feels the music is too loud but just suffers through the entire thing. I have a volume button and a thermostat. Trust me an LMT will NOT have his/her feelings hurt if you tell him/her it is too strong, too light, etc. There is nothing insulting about that. It is just letting them know how you feel. This is stuff you should teach your first grader. It’s not the fault of the spa since they told you to tell them about the pressure. Additionally the client lied to the LMT when asked, “have you ever had a massage before?” The client told him no, but then types that although not an expert, he has HAD a massage before. I hope to NOT have clients like this. It is babyfied.

    1. Lorynn

      To correct my post the LMT asked if the client had a masage “RECENTLY” in my previous comment I had typed that the LMT asked if the client EVER had a massage. I appologize for mis-reading that initially.

  20. Lorynn

    Furthermore if more focus was on the back vs the legs during the massage it is because the back is what directly affects the legs. The area of pain/tension is not always the source. The client said the legs and lower back were hurting from walking. This can be helped by relieving tight muscles in the back. Plus the back is the largest part of the body, it makes sense it got the most attention.

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